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Yeah… they call it that cuz the same principle applies to vehicle engine cooling.
Air cooling is not as effective as water cooling, but just take a look at beetle engines made more than half a century ago, they’re all air cooled and still up and running. It’s all in the design, if it’s good and overengineered, it will pracatically run forever.
Too bad nothing nowadays is meant to run more than 5 years.
they had a tendency to overheat in hot conditions, and when stuck in traffic. this is because they need a certain amount of air flowing in order to cool properly.
they also weren’t very good for heat in the winter.
air cooling is a simpler system, and as such has less to go wrong with it. that doesn’t make it better or worse. there are pros and cons to both systems.
Those problems can be easily fixed with aditional fans.
Too bad nothing nowadays is meant to run more than 5 years.
Where do people keep getting this from? Cars today tend to last far longer anywhere where winter is a thing.
As for air cooled vs water cooled engines, the power output (and vehicle mass) has to be part of that conversation. Yes air cooling works on on a 25 HP motor, but it doesn’t work so well on modern engines making an order of magnitude more power.
Honestly people give old vehicles (or old anything) way too much credit. It’s survivor bias, only the good stuff lasted this long. The shitty products have all been recycled multiple times by now. I mean think about it, 100,000 miles used to be an old-ass car back in the day, but for anything post 1990 or so that’s just getting started. Don’t get me wrong, I admire the simplicity and repairability of old vehicles
Air cooling is a lot less complex than water cooling, so there are fewer points of failure. If both can do the job, I’ll pick reliability over efficiency every time.
My thoughts exactly.
You have clearly never lived with an old air cooled VW engine and dealt with it overheating in traffic.
Or going uphill
Similarly it’s actually easier to fuck up the design of a water cooler than an air cooling system. Notably motherboard warp can happen from an improperly set up water cooling.
Didn’t know this, thanks for the info 👍.
Yeah but VW engines were pretty small, carrying pretty small cars.
If you genuinely think that those old engines are still running on original parts. Then I don’t know what to say, because you wouldn’t understand any of it.
If you live somewhere that’s consistently 98-100% humidity: Air cooling is simultaneously liquid cooling.
And wheres that, in the occean?
Florida
So basically, in the ocean then.
Another decade or two and you can lose the basically.
Tennessee
Many places in the South. Swamps. Farmland. Etc.
Buy air cooler
Look inside
Water
Personally I just like the lack of difficulty in air cooling. And air cooling can also be very quiet. I have a case with soundproofing inside, and my PSU and GPU fans only spin up when they get hot enough to justify it. The noise level is so low as to be imperceptible. My dog breathes louder.
You have my attention. Tell me more about your dog
- His name is Sherlock.
- He’s a year old.
- He weighs about 70 pounds/~32 kg.
- He’s a mix adopted from a local shelter. Google Lens calls him a Dutch Shepherd. Might have a little pit in him. Gonna get a DNA kit for him.
- He has XXXL ears. Everyone comments on how oversized his ears are.
- He gives the softest, sweetest kisses.
- He does not like walks or new people or new places.
- He loves other dogs.
- He doesn’t understand the cat. Or his boundaries.
- He pooped in the car once.
- If left to his own devices, he will eat all the grass in the yard. The concept of not eating too much fiber at once is one he can’t digest.
- Despite not loving new people, he does warm up to you fairly quick. It took 20 minutes of my in-laws being around before he got lovey dovey on them.
- He doesn’t like bones that much. He’d rather have a cloth toy he can pull apart thread by thread.
- His two favorite places in the world are 1) Daycare, and 2) Wherever mom is sitting. I’m the spare lol
- I wanted to name him Rye Bread because of the color of his coat. My sister in law has a dog named Tater and my brother’s dog is named Biscuit so I thought going with the theme of carbs would be cute. But he responds to Sherlock and that just makes handling him a million times easier so we stuck with that.
Here he is peeping out the window with the aforementioned cat:
10/10 quality dog content
More Sherlock please!!
Can you tell me more about your case and noise insulation? I’ve recently been unhappy with my PC’s noise level and I’m looking for upgrades.
It’s the windowless version of the Fractal Design Define R5. The panels are all lined with padding to reduce noise. I have a single Noctua NF-F12 moving air through it. It’s capable of spinning to 2,000 RPM if needed, but it never gets hot enough inside to ever spin faster than 1,200. Even at full speed, the fan is still very tolerably quiet. I only bought the ippc version because it wasn’t brown and brown.
Also, the CPU is a 4790K cooled by a Noctua NH-U9B SE2. It’s a 92mm cooler that fit nicely in my old “Optimus Prime we have at home” case. It has two fans on it that run at a constant 900 RPM. It does a great job keeping heat in check at stock clock, but I wouldn’t trust it in an overclock situation on this CPU.
4790k, one of the longest living processors out there. Still running one in one of our guest machines!
I use a Fractal Design Meshify C myself, and a Noctua D15. Whatever the quietest Corsair fans are, got five. It’s completely silent.
My partner has the same setup, but their machine is quite a bit louder. I think it’s cuz we went with that 35USD ninja… blade… whatever cooler that people recommended for its similar performance to the D15, but 100 less. That thing is quite loud, though.
Before I redid my machine I was using an AIO, a nice Corsair platinum one, and three LL120s. MF was loud as shit. When the AIO spun up, I had to turn my volume up.
When I made all of my changes I DID also put a completely unnecessary 1KW Platinum PSU in there, which has a “fan doesn’t run” mode.
Not OP but I went on my own crusade against noise a few years ago. I had a ryzen 1600 and a 1070 in an NZXT S340 case using the included case fans. I wanted to get rid of noisy components entirely instead of using any kind of sound isolation or insulation because I thought it would be easier to get rid of the problem at the source than to try to hide it. I replaced both case fans with be quiet shadow wings 2s and got a be quiet dark rock 4 to replace the stock CPU cooler. My CPU never used more than 100w but the new cooler was rated for 200w. I thought it would be quieter to have an oversized cooler for my CPU since a bigger cooler would need a slower fan speed to get rid of the same amount of heat as an appropriately sized cooler. I also got a 850w power supply with a mode that turns off the fan completely if it’s using less than 200w. My whole tower used around 300w when playing the games I normally played and around 100w or less while doing light work. I tweaked the fan curves of everything so temps stayed under 50C with light loads and all my fans stayed at about 900rpm. Every fan got faster and louder while gaming but I didn’t notice or care since it was quieter than the sounds and music of the games. After I got all my new fancy fans my 8TB internal HDD became by far the noisiest thing in my whole set up so I built a NAS with hand-me-down hardware and put all my spinning rust storage in a different room. Since then my only upgrades have been a bigger SSD and a ryzen 5800X CPU.
In the dead of night when the whole house is quiet my own breathing is louder than my PC 2 feet away on the desk if I’m not gaming.
CPU AIO’s are awesome, all the benefits of water cooling with none of the hassle.
I fully agree, except my Corsair Platinum was mega loud, until it died. They gave me an upgraded new one under warranty tho!
But I put a D15 in instead.
Edit: side note, the AIO cooled amazingly, worked for over three and a half years, and no liquid escaped. It just got janky.
And better noise level. Treated myself to a custom loop a couple months ago and never looked back. I mean, it is expensive and can be a lot of work to get going, but fuck aircooling an RTX 3090. Never again (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Air cooling is just vacuum cooling with extra steps.
I get the joke, but the vacuum is usually before the fans, inside the heat pipes.
The whole point for AIO water loops is that you have more flexibility in radiator placement. For advanced systems you can beat static copper tubes pretty easily by moving more water.
Bought water cooler when I built it. That was five years ago. No problems so far.
I am not a gamer so my fans only spin up when the vents clog with dust or I am doing some high end rendering. I’d never do water cooling because a leak could kill everything. I have lived through floods.
You can use oil or other non conductive fluids instead.
Have you seen what Linus did with his pool lmao
Unless you’re in a boat, in which case you’re likely using a water to water heat exchanger.
Ground-source water-water heat pumps have entered the chat
AIO Liquid Coolers suck, good performance but they’ll eventually get worse as water evaporate and they don’t all offer proper ways to refill, a custom loop is far superior, but then custom loops are such big effort and cost.
I’ll stick to my Hyper 212 Turbo.
Air cooling is just radiative cooling with extra steps
And the ability to know where the heat is being dissipated too.
And get more surface area to the air than you could with straight air cooling.
And control the temperature more acurately if desired through a thermostat.
