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I mean it is a blood bucket

How many kilometers on that thing?

I guess the hint to stop was a bit too subtle…

I think the max comment limit was the hint that it might be time to stop hah. If you do this or that, eh. But situation is what it is right now and it was countries that we compared.

I don’t think there’s anything that interesting coming out of this tbh

I mean yeah of course we are talking about people in the country that are actually eligible for the welfare and such.

I mean, this doesn’t seem as much based on numbers than “well China has socialist rhetoric so less social safety nets is actually more so I win”. I think better to just stick to the numbers tbh

I mean there’s loads of billionaires in China.

I think you know how I feel about speculation about the future. And being a billionaire would be a great system, though they seem to exist in both system we talked about, since there’s billionaires in socialist countries and capitalist ones.

Maybe your theory about billionaires being the ultimate winner is on to something.

Best in the way we’ve talked about the whole time… Least amount of people living paycheck to paycheck and since social safety nets count, the ones with best of those too. Nordics are top at that.

I mean the best countries are still capitalist. So eh, once a socialist vountry take that top spot your argument will be stronger. But we’re not there yet.

“It only really happens if you have a common setup”

You said according theories you believe in that socialist countries will be best of the best and so on. I’m not concerned about the future and don’t really trust these sort of predictions, so what else can even say really. I wanted to be nice and agree that yeah maybe at some point.

I didn’t say you weren’t allowed to do your predictions. I’m sure they’re good predictions. I just don’t put much faith in them.

Like said, I’m sure it’s a good theory and all. I’m just cautious about trusting that sort of predictions. They don’t always pan out quite as predicted.

I’m sure your theory and methodology is fine. I just don’t trust much in that sort of speculation tbh.

I mean you’re free to speculate about the future. Economists do it all the time and I don’t really trust that much, personally. Let’s talk when that speculation is actually true and China does beat the Nordics imo.

I mean we can’t really talk about future without it being just speculation, so right now is furthest we can go with actual numbers. Like said, theoretically China will be the best at some point but until then…

Finland got their independence in 1917, before that it was a colony and under foreign and imperialist rule. Finland went through a civil war and WW2 too. I wouldn’t call Finland old compared to the millennia spanning civilization that is China lol. Finns were sleeping in caves when China was already an empire conquering shit.

I’m just saying it doesn’t seem like you need socialism to achieve better result in what we’re discussing. You can do it within capitalism and as it stands some capitalist countries are doing even better than the best of socialist countries.

And funny to speak about China as some new civilization with little time to develop, especially compared to Finland for example. But it’s whatever, if that feels like the answer to you then I’m fine with it. I just thought China was a poor example since rural people only got welfare in 2014 onward and whatnot.

I’m sure there’s other, out of scope things where they’re amazing.

Those best in what we have been talking about the whole time lol. Right now those are capitalist countries. I bet socialism is great and gets better and better but it’s just not at the top yet in this. Unless there’s a better example than China ofc.

You are saying that socialism is better at this particular aspect but all I’m saying the best in it are still capitalist.