One good thing that came out of this mess was that I discovered Gamer’s Nexus, information packed and down to earth. I’d rather have 20 minutes of information than 5 minutes plus 15 minutes showmanship.
I’d been watching Steve for years. I came to a realization that you go to Linus to be entertained. You go to Steve to learn or make a very informed purchase.
You’ve said this twice but haven’t given any more details. And Steve has changed his testing methodology several times and is extremely transparent on how and why. Do you have sources, has this actually happened more than once, what is a “tantrum” to you?
Exactly what a tantrum is to anyone else - acting in an emotionally charged way, dismissing logic and behaving like a brat. Why are you using manipulative language to dismiss my statement as a subjective thing?
You’ve said this twice but haven’t given any more details
It’s almost like you have access to google yourself. Look up “RA tech Gamers Nexus”.
And Steve has changed his testing methodology several times and is extremely transparent on how and why.
Except for when he gets called out - then his methodology becomes some type of gospel enshrined by the pope himself.
How am I supposed to know to Google “RA tech Gamers Nexus” if you don’t say who was involved?
Also yes I am going to question your hyperbolic and subject language like “tantrum”. It’s not manipulative for me to ask that. Typically a tantrum is used to describe toddlers stomping and falling to the floor screaming and crying. And when I look into it and find Gamers Nexus was harsh and critical, but not histrionic or emotional, I know you’re being subjective by saying he threw a tantrum. So I’m questioning your bias because your comments are filled with hyperbole (gospel enshrined by the Pope himself?? Really??)
Steve could have taken more time to hear RA Tech out or validate his tests or been nicer etc etc and handled it better. I personally am disappointed in his response. We shouldn’t treat anyone as above criticism, especially someone like Steve that people watch for his educational content. However, many other people also disagree with RA Tech. And when Steve commented, 90% of his comment was focusing on the technical aspects of why he disagreed. And I couldn’t find any discussion between the two past that, feel free to give more context or follow up if there is any.
I’m not going to say either Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed had correct benchmarks, but the RA Tech video alone doesn’t disprove them because his testing methodology fundamentally lacks transparency. He didn’t say what resolution or setting he was testing at, he compared those unlabeled numbers with cropped screenshots of Gamers Nexus’ numbers. Gamers Nexus tests at different resolutions and settings, so saying you got better results is meaningless without that context. But RA Tech glosses over that by then shifting to comparing to his own simulated test of a 2 core 4 thread, which is a CPU that he artificially handicapped. And he entirely dismissed 1% lows for some reason? Saying FPS is good enough and pointing to an unlabeled graph that looks to be steady. But I can’t compare that graph to GN’s actual 1% low numbers. Which is especially silly because one benchmark showed GN got a better result than he did but the problem was in the 1% lows… which RA Tech didn’t test. So sure, GN and HU could have made mistakes. But RA Tech’s lack of transparency and amateur testing didn’t prove his point the way you think it does.
I do know that acting like this was some big drama moment or that Gamers Nexus’ entire credibility is destroyed by this one time he wasn’t super nice and patient while disagreeing with another YouTuber is disingenuous. Take all testing with a grain of salt, and don’t blindly believe what someone shows you in a YouTube video (Gamers Nexus or RA Tech)
Gamers Nexus has their own issues, not least of which the fact that Steve throws a tantrum whenever the quality or veracity of his data is brought into question - EVEN WHEN SAID DATA REFERS TO A 10 YEAR OLD PROCESSOR! Instead of admitting there might’ve been something wrong with the old test, he attacked a smaller Youtuber for bringing weird data to attention.
One good thing that came out of this mess was that I discovered Gamer’s Nexus, information packed and down to earth. I’d rather have 20 minutes of information than 5 minutes plus 15 minutes showmanship.
I’d been watching Steve for years. I came to a realization that you go to Linus to be entertained. You go to Steve to learn or make a very informed purchase.
No, you don’t go to Linus at all.
Fair enough.
Except you won’t really know that, because when bad data is pointed out, he throws a tantrum and belittles whoever found the issue.
You’ve said this twice but haven’t given any more details. And Steve has changed his testing methodology several times and is extremely transparent on how and why. Do you have sources, has this actually happened more than once, what is a “tantrum” to you?
Exactly what a tantrum is to anyone else - acting in an emotionally charged way, dismissing logic and behaving like a brat. Why are you using manipulative language to dismiss my statement as a subjective thing?
It’s almost like you have access to google yourself. Look up “RA tech Gamers Nexus”.
Except for when he gets called out - then his methodology becomes some type of gospel enshrined by the pope himself.
It is not up to others to come up with proof of your claims.
Post a link or shut up about it.
How am I supposed to know to Google “RA tech Gamers Nexus” if you don’t say who was involved?
Also yes I am going to question your hyperbolic and subject language like “tantrum”. It’s not manipulative for me to ask that. Typically a tantrum is used to describe toddlers stomping and falling to the floor screaming and crying. And when I look into it and find Gamers Nexus was harsh and critical, but not histrionic or emotional, I know you’re being subjective by saying he threw a tantrum. So I’m questioning your bias because your comments are filled with hyperbole (gospel enshrined by the Pope himself?? Really??)
Steve could have taken more time to hear RA Tech out or validate his tests or been nicer etc etc and handled it better. I personally am disappointed in his response. We shouldn’t treat anyone as above criticism, especially someone like Steve that people watch for his educational content. However, many other people also disagree with RA Tech. And when Steve commented, 90% of his comment was focusing on the technical aspects of why he disagreed. And I couldn’t find any discussion between the two past that, feel free to give more context or follow up if there is any.
I’m not going to say either Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed had correct benchmarks, but the RA Tech video alone doesn’t disprove them because his testing methodology fundamentally lacks transparency. He didn’t say what resolution or setting he was testing at, he compared those unlabeled numbers with cropped screenshots of Gamers Nexus’ numbers. Gamers Nexus tests at different resolutions and settings, so saying you got better results is meaningless without that context. But RA Tech glosses over that by then shifting to comparing to his own simulated test of a 2 core 4 thread, which is a CPU that he artificially handicapped. And he entirely dismissed 1% lows for some reason? Saying FPS is good enough and pointing to an unlabeled graph that looks to be steady. But I can’t compare that graph to GN’s actual 1% low numbers. Which is especially silly because one benchmark showed GN got a better result than he did but the problem was in the 1% lows… which RA Tech didn’t test. So sure, GN and HU could have made mistakes. But RA Tech’s lack of transparency and amateur testing didn’t prove his point the way you think it does.
I do know that acting like this was some big drama moment or that Gamers Nexus’ entire credibility is destroyed by this one time he wasn’t super nice and patient while disagreeing with another YouTuber is disingenuous. Take all testing with a grain of salt, and don’t blindly believe what someone shows you in a YouTube video (Gamers Nexus or RA Tech)
Are you RA tech?
When did that happen? That’s more of Linus’ thing.
Gamers Nexus has their own issues, not least of which the fact that Steve throws a tantrum whenever the quality or veracity of his data is brought into question - EVEN WHEN SAID DATA REFERS TO A 10 YEAR OLD PROCESSOR! Instead of admitting there might’ve been something wrong with the old test, he attacked a smaller Youtuber for bringing weird data to attention.
Really? Who was the smaller YouTuber and what happened
^^ Source: trust me bro