What is Tiananmen square? I tried asking on reddit and got banned.
I think it’s a cake or some kind of dish.
It’s when a guy with a couple grocery bags beat up a tank.
The official report back to the Uk government was even worse than the sanitised stuff we got on TV. Even the Chinese government don’t know how many were killed.
https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2020-0353/FCO_21_4200.pdf
This shit is an heavy read… I profoundly dislike it.
Why don’t you ask the kids at Tiananmen square?
Was
fashionnothing the reason why they were there?This reminds me of this other Simpson little jewel https://youtu.be/Vx0tkoJY_mk
“the same number of violent deaths as on any random weekend in the United States.”
Use critical thinking here. Even if this is the number, it is equating the violent deaths at a single location to the total number of violent deaths in the entire United States over a weekend. This one little tidbit lets you know of the angle of the article and the misinformation it tries to hide in plain sight.
Lol asking a .ml to use critical thinking… Good luck with that.
you are despicable. seek help and stop boot licking authoritarians
THE MYTH OF THE “Tiananmen Square massacre”
immediatly clicked off, and instance checks out
it’s not a particularly long post; if you’re really confident in the veracity of the narrative you’re familiar with then you shouldn’t need to be afraid to read something that contradicts it.
(and btw, neither of the two posts i linked claims nothing happened there.)
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I looked down at the comments… not surprised. :p
This is so sinophobic! Dont you know that never happened and if it did it was because of America and capitalism.
Explain please
attempted color revolution
Its not serious. I’m just poking fun at the tankies who would defend the massacre by claiming it didnt happen then say but if it did happen america was behind it.
So you’re just strawmanning
No just a joke. I’m not making an argument so strawmaning doesnt apply.
Also it wouldn’t even be a strawman because tankies(you) actually respond like that every time. Someone even linked a video of a tankie doing exactly that.
No they didn’t. So still strawmanning
There are tankies in this very post doing this very thing. You saying “strawmanning” is just deflection and denial, just like how your favorite authoritarians deal with this day in history. Just deny, deny, deny.
Enjoy the taste of those boots.
No there aren’t, and you should lay off the thought terminating cliches
probably referring to this I didn’t check the sources myself but this does feel very convincing especially with the longer tank man video which doesn’t fit the narrative I always hear for the picture
That video is the exact person I was mocking. Its pure historical revision from a blantant propagandist. No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video. The tank man is a powerful picture because its a man standing up to the army just after they slaughtered 1000s of uni students. If you felt convinced by that you should look into the history of what happened its a short read.
Wasn’t this from before the massacre?
Nah. The guy blocks the tanks as they’re leaving the square. The days before were filled with the army firing live rounds into crowds of protestors and a tank running people over and soldiers being swarmed and beaten to death. Crazy shit.
Last time I checked it wasn’t 1k+ and numbers were criticized but yea
Yeah there is no evidence to suggest what the numbers were the local gov said it was 300 dead so we know its at least that but others who were there estimated up to several thousand. Most estimates are 500-1500 range it seems with thousands wounded.
It was a big protest and China tanks needed to be sent in so I think 1000 is reasonable.
Yup. I would say around 500-800 but sure. At least we have an order of magnitude.
Vibes based statistics
No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video.
People claim this all the time…
The claim people actually talk about is a tank ran over students the day before.
Then tankies(you) strawman that claim to be about the tank man photo so they can setup themselves up to debunk it by showing the video. Then they can say “see guys the tank didnt run him over and actually they were pretty nice to him and everything else youve heard is not true dont research it just take my word for it”
People also claim the earth is flat. Your point?
That your claim is factually incorrect
My claim? You don’t even care who you’re replying to, everyone is wrong and nothing else matters xD change name to emptybox, I say
Doesn’t the United States do a similar thing in weaponizing the police against its own citizens? U.S. police violence against protesters, police killings of black and brown people, police killing of mentally ill people. Using military surplus weapons from Iraq and war tactics against its own citizens (LRAD weapons, mass arrests, tear gas).(Kent State Shooting, Civil Rights Movement, George Floyd protests, Occupy Wall Street, Palestine protests).
Not even comparable. Scroll up to the top and read the report from the British Government and then tell me that they’re the same.
Or is there an event in US history I wasn’t aware of where our military literally liquidized student protestors and swept the resulting sludge into storm drains?
Not yet.
So the U.S. can keep doing so?
Yeah but they don’t actively try to wipe it out of history and build a big firewall
When Kent State happened, surveys showed an overwhelming majority of Americans blamed the students for getting shot more than they blamed the guard for shooting them. There were all sorts of fake news stories going around on TV about how the protests were filled with outside agitators doing things like putting LSD in the water supply. It was only once the opportunity for a reaction was safely past that they said, “Oopsie, we made a mistake.” There have been many other cases where the government and media lied until it determined it was safe enough to tell the truth, including the justifications for several major wars.
Not yet. The wiping things out of history move already has begun, when the regime started removing „DEI“ people from government sources. Maybe much before that, when they started banning books on a state level.
Tulsa 1921
Jk, that shit happens, but when it does it becomes massive news stories instead of being suppressed, and it is allowed to have ripple effects across politics and society instead of the government imprisoning anyone who mentions abuses.
I’m watching the US government running interference for Israel and arresting students for being anti-genocide/ pro-Palestine. Legacy corporate media burying articles on Palestine and Israeli war crimes on US gov’t behalf. Legacy corporate media lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a pretense to invade and later laundering and resurrecting war criminal George W. Bush’s reputation after the war. Corporate media’s suppression of Biden’s senility while in office and now Jake Tapper is on a propaganda tour saying what everyone knew all along even though Democratic party insiders would straight up lie about it.
Not saying China good. Obviously what they did is awful. I’m saying the US is also not great.
but when it does it becomes massive news stories instead of being suppressed, and it is allowed to have ripple effects across politics and society instead of the government imprisoning anyone who mentions abuses.
To be fair, someone else replied to mention the Tulsa Race Massacre… Something that I (and every American I’ve spoken to about it) did not know existed prior to seeing the Watchmen TV series.
So…
There is being ignorant and there is being censored. Information on the Tulsa race riot is freely available, information on the Tiananmen Square massacre is actively suppressed in China.
One is your own failing, the other is manipulation
The information is freely available because you can do nothing about it. The student protests about israel were shut down. If it was deemed a greater threat, then even more violence would have been used.
I can’t believe the mods and admins allow such a racist meme to stay up.
Ralph being yellow while talking about the Chinese with the red seats is more than just a dog whistle.
I do think that you’ll eventually be held up there with the likes of Ken M. for your contributions to the art of classical trolling.
Started bad but ended beautifully
Also nice username
Brilliant trust, well done!
This is why I find this stuff so bewildering, even Wikipedia says no one died in the square. It was hectic around Mudixi, with buses of soldiers being torched and the burnted bodies being strung up. People there were absolutely shot at and killed.
It was an insane week with a lot happening, many different groups with their own motives, and so many details unclear. It’s weird that anti China rhetoric insists on something that didn’t happen, pushing a false narrative that’s so easy to dispell and distracts from the real violence and politics of the time.
even Wikipedia says no one died in the square.
The Chinese Red Cross had given a figure of 2,600 deaths but later denied having given such a figure.[16][17] The Swiss Ambassador had estimated 2,700.[18] Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times wrote on 21 June that "it seems plausible that about a dozen soldiers and policemen were killed, along with 400 to 800 civilians.
While I agree that it is not known and a bit inaccurate, saying that it’s the Tiananmen Square massacre is a relatively harmless simplification, as there were dead people nearby and they originally were there.
For me wikipedia says that at least a few hundred died, can you show me where wikipedia said no one died?
The point is that according to basically all reputable sources, they didnt die on Tiananmen Square. They were ordered to leave the Square and did so. Then they were killed at other points in the city.
But of course, since the protests were on the Square and then the killings happened, most people simply condense it down to the inaccurate version of “killed at the square”.
“The massacre in the vicinity of, but not directly on Tiananmen Square” doesn’t have the same ring to it. The concrete location might also not matter that much in the grand scheme of things
Well, it does matter as far as lots of people who only have passing knowledge about it will believe that it was at Tiananmen Square, that the guy in the famous photo was run over by tanks etc.
And that makes it easy for the CCP to go “you are all falling for propaganda, that did not happen, look how good we are in not killing these protesters”
We all know those photos are AI
But they would also say that in response to a 100% accurate retelling.
The Clearing the Square section recounts the timeline of the military entering the square and it being totally empty by 6am. I guess you could count the three soldiers killed by the crowd, but that’s not what most people mean.
with buses of soldiers being torched and the burnted bodies being strung up.
Soldiers are legitimate targets btw.
Not all of them were. A great proportion wasn’t armed iirc from my research. But yea just saying “students got killed” is a bit of a lie by omission
Finally, a meme I can post on grad
When you love being insulted:
Most people were killed when the tanks were on their way towards the square and not in it. So the student would have technically already been dead before it reached Tiananman
.world lemmitors living in western countries on the verge of fascism really be shaking to post anticommunist CIA propaganda on their favourite day of the year
Tankies unable to fathom that you can be critical of both fascism and the authoritarian state capitalism which is China.
Being critical of the communist state which relieved 800 million people from extreme poverty over the suppression of a western-sponsored color revolution while fascism disintegrates the EU and US, from the comfort of the armchairs in their Muslim genocide supporting nations
Now tally up all the people in capitalist countries who were “relieved from extreme poverty” during their industrialisation period. And did so without causing massive famines because they had a wierd hate-boner for sparrows.
All those people who were “relieved from extreme poverty” in such settler nations chose to do so on the backs of indentured servants who are not counted in your statistics, as white men tended to often exclude in consideration when formulating convincing metrics to justify their behavior.
Cool, ask the Ukrainians about how they were treated under the soviets or ask minorities in China how the great leap forward went.
capitalist countries who were “relieved from extreme poverty” during their industrialisation period
Uh… Have you opened a book in your life at any point? Have you ever heard of these things called “British Empire”, “Portuguese Empire”, “Spanish Empire”, “Colonial Africa”, or “British Raj”? How about child labour in Britain during industrial development? Bengal famine, Irish potato famine, genocide of Latin Americas, slave trade… The list of actually enforced hunger and genocide is absolutely endless, and much more harrowing than the consequence of (admittedly disastrous) uninformed ecological policy in the mid-20th century.
God you’re so fucking stupid.
The point is industrialisation is what lifts people out of poverty. You pointing out imperialism is bad doesn’t change that, does it?
Also are you going talk about Soviet invasion and genocide in eastern Europe or Chinese manufactured famines and child labour?
Don’t argue with tankies. Making fun of them is very much enough.
Ends the justify means thinking. “why improve the process or experience, when my way already works far better than simply stomping on them to get them to open up?”
“because the taste of shoe doesn’t pair well with many flavors”
“My way has 85% less shoe licking”
“Ok, I can think of at least 3 ways you could remove the shoe entirely and it would almost certainly still work (unless of course people intentionally misuse the tools required for the solution)”
“You just want to go back to stomping on them, don’t you!”
If you lack scientific understanding of the material world, or you are wanting to use cynicism and disregard as proof, just say so.
I genuinely can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or not, because this seems like a good argument against tankies to me.
You’re so close to understanding the concept of hypocrisy. Keep going. You’ll get there.
Yes, industrialisation is what lifts people from poverty, that’s exactly why the West has prevented the almost entirety of Africa, South America and Southeast Asia from industrializing, and the greatest industrial developments in the previous century (other than US-sponsored military bases like South Korea or Japan) have happened in, you guessed it, communist countries, whether we refer to the heavy industrialisation of USSR under state-planned economy or the industrialisation of China through Dengism and the attraction of international capital investment. Why didn’t Peru industrialise too? Why didn’t Philippines? Why didn’t Zambia? You’re talking of industrialisation of the West and imperialism as two isolated phenomena, when they’re very much not.
Also are you going talk about Soviet invasion and genocide in eastern Europe
You mean when the Soviets lost 27 million people in order to save Europe from Nazism? We can talk about that, yes
I mean yeah capitalism and imperialism go hand in hand.
But you’re willfully ignoring when “communist” countries do the same. Do you think the soviet oppression of eastern Europe is fundamentally different than the European oppression of Africa
And no, I’m talking about ww2, I’m talk about Holodomor and the Great Chinese Famine. I’m sure you’ll try and find excuses for them like a capitalist would for the bengal or Irish famines.
800 million out of extreme poverty
Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms.
color revolution
If the massacre in Tiananmen Square was a “western color revolution”, why is China covering it up still? Cuba doesn’t cover up the Bay of Pigs, they celebrate it as a W. It’s almost like it was a protest against a dictatorship that was brutally suppressed, as dictatorships do.
Muslim genocide supporting nations
Like what’s going on in Xinjiang? Israel and China are hand in hand when it comes to ethnic cleansing.
50 cents just isn’t enough to buy good posts nowadays.
Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms.
I wonder if there was any opposition to those reforms, like, maybe some kind of big protest right as they were being introduced 🤔
Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms
Extreme poverty was already racing down in the times of Mao before Dengism, life expectancy in China rose some 25 years under Mao. What part of “attracting foreign investment increases the material wealth of the country when done under communist rule” seems funny to you? Is that some sort of gotcha against communists? Because it’s literally the Marxist strategy of Dengism, outlined clearly and not hiding anything.
why is China covering it up
China isn’t “covering up” the Tiananmen revolts, it’s preventing the fabricated set of lies by western media to harm its country, and it’s doing this successfully. China has historically been less developed than western countries due to late industrialisation and being a victim of colonialism and imperialism, and weaker countries need to apply state power to prevent foreign interference, as the Zapatistas had to learn during their struggle. As China strengthens and the West debilitates, China is capable of opening up and controlling its narrative with more soft power, and the West needs to crack down against journalistic freedom. We see this in the US with the banning of TikTok, and in the EU with the banning of Russian media.
Like what’s going on in Xinjiang?
It’s been five years that you libs have been propagating this misinformation about Xinjiang and there’s still not a fucking shred of evidence. The education centres were closed years ago, the counter-terrorism campaign in Xinjiang was ssuccessful, and Xinjiang is not only developing, it’s doing so at an impressively fast rate, and recently the Uyghur became the majority ethnicity in the region. You can literally go into your phone and look up how many Palestinian children have been slaughtered this past week by Israel with video evidence of pretty much every single case, yet in China, a country where pretty much every single citizen owns a smartphone and VPN use isn’t persecuted (personally been in China and used VPNs to bypass the Great Firewall without issues), there isn’t a single picture or video evidence of abuse of authority against Uyghur.
When in 5-10 years it becomes common knowledge that the Uyghur “genocide” was a western fabrication, remember that communists somehow always knew, and reevaluate whether you’re just a propagandised cog in the machine. Everyone also “knew” about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and believed Nayirah’s testimony in congress.
