I can elaborate on that. In education no one cares about what you’ve learned, just what your grade is, based on your grades you get a job. Better grades, better job, better pay.
We have long before AI decoupled learning from education.
In my opinion, the kids are only playing the game the way it’s meant to be played. Do whatever it takes to get the highest grade, learning is for suckers / things you actually care about.
Yep, pretty much, I didn’t feel like putting it into words, so thanks for this. I’d add that arguably, when students “play the game”, they get the same flack, or worse, than job applicants who exaggerate or straight up lie in their resume the same way companies lie about free unlimited PTOs, job security, a clear career ladder, etc.
Using morality or honesty as an argument against students who cheat is an attack on students, a distraction from the fact that this shit doesn’t work the way it was advertised actually, which has been internalized and normalized in many societies, left uncontested, which is big bad.
The sad thing is that leads to graduates that don’t understand why they aren’t getting hired. I give zero shits about a candidates GPA. All that tells me is that they can take tests well.It doesn’t tell me anything about their work ethic, reliability, critical thinking, how they handle customers/peers.
I agree with you. But you, no offense, seem like the exception rather than the rule of hiring practices.
The issues with education that were kinda being brushed aside are now coming front and center with AI, I would argue the education system needs to change to prioritize critical thinking and reasoning, that way even AI can’t help them get ahead there. Cause you can have this thing give you an output but you still need to make sure it makes sense.
Now I’m not saying there aren’t advantages to applying yourself to read and parse text or even knowing your multiplication tables. It works your brain like a muscle. That definitely has advantages IMO.
But the education system that prioritizes rote learning and memorization needs to change. Cause that’s all it does as of now IMO.
I certainly can’t speak for all educators and grade levels, but in my junior and senior CS courses, I don’t have them memorize anything and they gotta solve problems.
I would say that we’ve just discovered that our approach to test knowledge and critical thinking was secondary to the means we used.
Apparently, essay writing doesn’t require either of those.
Which means we have to think how we teach kids. They will and should use helper tools, but just like we teach multiplication table before allowing calculators, well have to establish what students have to learn before they can use the LLMs in their studying.
What is that core issue, in your opinion?
in short: captalism lol. slightly longer: captialism. lmao.
I can elaborate on that. In education no one cares about what you’ve learned, just what your grade is, based on your grades you get a job. Better grades, better job, better pay. We have long before AI decoupled learning from education.
In my opinion, the kids are only playing the game the way it’s meant to be played. Do whatever it takes to get the highest grade, learning is for suckers / things you actually care about.
Yep, pretty much, I didn’t feel like putting it into words, so thanks for this. I’d add that arguably, when students “play the game”, they get the same flack, or worse, than job applicants who exaggerate or straight up lie in their resume the same way companies lie about free unlimited PTOs, job security, a clear career ladder, etc.
Using morality or honesty as an argument against students who cheat is an attack on students, a distraction from the fact that this shit doesn’t work the way it was advertised actually, which has been internalized and normalized in many societies, left uncontested, which is big bad.
The sad thing is that leads to graduates that don’t understand why they aren’t getting hired. I give zero shits about a candidates GPA. All that tells me is that they can take tests well.It doesn’t tell me anything about their work ethic, reliability, critical thinking, how they handle customers/peers.
I agree with you. But you, no offense, seem like the exception rather than the rule of hiring practices. The issues with education that were kinda being brushed aside are now coming front and center with AI, I would argue the education system needs to change to prioritize critical thinking and reasoning, that way even AI can’t help them get ahead there. Cause you can have this thing give you an output but you still need to make sure it makes sense. Now I’m not saying there aren’t advantages to applying yourself to read and parse text or even knowing your multiplication tables. It works your brain like a muscle. That definitely has advantages IMO. But the education system that prioritizes rote learning and memorization needs to change. Cause that’s all it does as of now IMO.
I certainly can’t speak for all educators and grade levels, but in my junior and senior CS courses, I don’t have them memorize anything and they gotta solve problems.
I don’t think I’m the exception. Most of the hiring managers I know feel the same way irregardless of the industry they’re in.
Rote memorization has definitely helped destroy the education of many generations. Definitely agree.
I would say that we’ve just discovered that our approach to test knowledge and critical thinking was secondary to the means we used.
Apparently, essay writing doesn’t require either of those.
Which means we have to think how we teach kids. They will and should use helper tools, but just like we teach multiplication table before allowing calculators, well have to establish what students have to learn before they can use the LLMs in their studying.