Look I’m not a Kamala apologist but if she was prez I don’t think we’d have the national guard tear gassing protesters in LA right now. I mean the dems are terrible but come on now… The same as Trump?
Okay, so she wouldn’t have done those things, does that invalidate the post’s claim that she has nothing actually progressive to say about any of the topics mentioned? She’s the epitome of status quo whose only redeeming quality is that she’s not batshit insane like the other candidate. That doesn’t make her a good candidate for the country. I’m not going to comment on whether y’all should have voted for her or not because I’m not American, but all I’m saying is I can understand why tons of people didn’t want to vote for her because she not only failed to address any of the issues progressive voters had, she deliberately avoided talking about them.
Also, the election is over. Why do I get the impression you think the OP is still trying to get you to not vote for her or something when that ship has sailed? All of you went apeshit when anyone dared criticize her during the election because “a vote not for Harris is a vote for Trump,” you’re going to use that same reason when it literally doesn’t fucking matter anymore?
No, if a Democrat president had done something remotely resembling one of these things: media, courts, Congress would be in a frenzy to stop it, before you could say executive order.
I mean I can understand the “controlled ineffectual opposition” narrative, but I don’t buy the “Democrats’ inaction means they are just as evil as Republicans”.
Cool cool… Hey why did Obama run a drone assassination program?
From 2000 up to the present day, the US has been carrying out a campaign of drone strikes and asassinations in the Middle East and Africa, including Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia, resulting in thousands of civilian deaths, including women, children, and US citizens. 1 Drone strikes are used by the military and the CIA to hunt down and kill people the Obama administration has deemed — through secretive processes, without indictment or trial — worthy of execution. Drone strike targets are usually pinpointed through cell phone usage. The Obama asassination complex is detailed in the drone papers.
There’s no don’t that she wouldn’t be as bad as Trump, but she was never meant to be president. Her role was to ensure Trump got reelected. That’s what it looks like to me, at least.
They are saying because Kamala did not want mass ICE deportations that we wouldn’t be having mass ICE deportations in LA.
Even if you believe Kamala and Trump share the beliefs/end goals/policies whatever, there is at least one distinction and that is she did not want mass ICE immigration. Therefore, she is LESS harmful.
They are saying because Kamala did not want mass ICE deportations that we wouldn’t be having mass ICE deportations in LA.
Are they saying that somewhere else? Because I didn’t see that anywhere in the text of either of the two comments in the chain.
More accurately though: Kamala does not brashly call for mass ICE deportations like Trump does because she needs to maintain an image of being an opposition. And the point of maintaining this veneer of being an opposition party is to provide a pressure valve. The goal is to manufacture consent, to pacify liberals who might otherwise figure out that the system does nothing for them and become leftists, to put a “woke” face on the evil agenda of capitalism so liberals can smugly claim to be the only people fighting for social justice and simultaneously block out any radical voices.
That doesn’t mean she, and the Biden admin that she promised to be an extension of, wouldn’t be having mass ICE deportations all over the country. It only means that liberals would be cool with it like they were with ICE deportations under the Biden and Obama administrations. Because liberals, by and large, like the violence. The ones who figure out that they don’t become leftists.
Even if you believe Kamala and Trump share the beliefs/end goals/policies whatever, there is at least one distinction and that is she did not want mass ICE immigration. Therefore, she is LESS harmful.
Honestly, the only material difference between the two is what they say in public. It’s only an indicator at best of the trajectory of the system.
Like imagine if your car is smoking in the front, and the mechanic is like “The transmission is fucked, the engine is on fire, the battery also exploded, and I’m not going to do anything about it”, but then you take the car to another mechanic and they’re like “The transmission is fucked, the engine is on fire, the battery also exploded, and I’m not going to do anything about it, but I’m willing to charge you $69 to turn off the Check Engine light.” And hundreds of people in the internet are like “Bro you gotta fix the check engine light or your car will never work ever again bro please just go to the other mechanic and pay $69 and if you want to get a bike instead you secretly want your car to be on fire bro”.
In a car, the Check Engine light is an indicator that something is wrong, just like in the US, the public rhetoric of the current administration is an indicator of the trajectory the system is on.
I’m not wasting my time to prop up liberal Democrat politicians who won’t even pretend to attempt to change a goddamn thing. We know the system is working exactly as intended. It’s oppressing the exact people it’s supposed to oppress. And the Democrats aren’t even pretending to care about the things they campaigned on stopping in the last election cycle. They’re the baddies too, and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.
Look I’m not a Kamala apologist but if she was prez I don’t think we’d have the national guard tear gassing protesters in LA right now. I mean the dems are terrible but come on now… The same as Trump?
In addition to siccing the military on protestors…
She would totally do all of these things in the first few months, because both sides are definitely the same.
Okay, so she wouldn’t have done those things, does that invalidate the post’s claim that she has nothing actually progressive to say about any of the topics mentioned? She’s the epitome of status quo whose only redeeming quality is that she’s not batshit insane like the other candidate. That doesn’t make her a good candidate for the country. I’m not going to comment on whether y’all should have voted for her or not because I’m not American, but all I’m saying is I can understand why tons of people didn’t want to vote for her because she not only failed to address any of the issues progressive voters had, she deliberately avoided talking about them.
Also, the election is over. Why do I get the impression you think the OP is still trying to get you to not vote for her or something when that ship has sailed? All of you went apeshit when anyone dared criticize her during the election because “a vote not for Harris is a vote for Trump,” you’re going to use that same reason when it literally doesn’t fucking matter anymore?
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No, if a Democrat president had done something remotely resembling one of these things: media, courts, Congress would be in a frenzy to stop it, before you could say executive order.
I mean I can understand the “controlled ineffectual opposition” narrative, but I don’t buy the “Democrats’ inaction means they are just as evil as Republicans”.
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Cool cool… Hey why did Obama run a drone assassination program?
There’s no don’t that she wouldn’t be as bad as Trump, but she was never meant to be president. Her role was to ensure Trump got reelected. That’s what it looks like to me, at least.
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What are you smoking and can I get some?
They are saying because Kamala did not want mass ICE deportations that we wouldn’t be having mass ICE deportations in LA.
Even if you believe Kamala and Trump share the beliefs/end goals/policies whatever, there is at least one distinction and that is she did not want mass ICE immigration. Therefore, she is LESS harmful.
Are they saying that somewhere else? Because I didn’t see that anywhere in the text of either of the two comments in the chain.
More accurately though: Kamala does not brashly call for mass ICE deportations like Trump does because she needs to maintain an image of being an opposition. And the point of maintaining this veneer of being an opposition party is to provide a pressure valve. The goal is to manufacture consent, to pacify liberals who might otherwise figure out that the system does nothing for them and become leftists, to put a “woke” face on the evil agenda of capitalism so liberals can smugly claim to be the only people fighting for social justice and simultaneously block out any radical voices.
That doesn’t mean she, and the Biden admin that she promised to be an extension of, wouldn’t be having mass ICE deportations all over the country. It only means that liberals would be cool with it like they were with ICE deportations under the Biden and Obama administrations. Because liberals, by and large, like the violence. The ones who figure out that they don’t become leftists.
Honestly, the only material difference between the two is what they say in public. It’s only an indicator at best of the trajectory of the system.
Like imagine if your car is smoking in the front, and the mechanic is like “The transmission is fucked, the engine is on fire, the battery also exploded, and I’m not going to do anything about it”, but then you take the car to another mechanic and they’re like “The transmission is fucked, the engine is on fire, the battery also exploded, and I’m not going to do anything about it, but I’m willing to charge you $69 to turn off the Check Engine light.” And hundreds of people in the internet are like “Bro you gotta fix the check engine light or your car will never work ever again bro please just go to the other mechanic and pay $69 and if you want to get a bike instead you secretly want your car to be on fire bro”.
In a car, the Check Engine light is an indicator that something is wrong, just like in the US, the public rhetoric of the current administration is an indicator of the trajectory the system is on.
I’m not wasting my time to prop up liberal Democrat politicians who won’t even pretend to attempt to change a goddamn thing. We know the system is working exactly as intended. It’s oppressing the exact people it’s supposed to oppress. And the Democrats aren’t even pretending to care about the things they campaigned on stopping in the last election cycle. They’re the baddies too, and I’m tired of pretending they’re not.