I’m all for users migrating here but there’s so much vitriol from these users which I don’t think benefits a platform like this. I for one would like to see people leave their hate for Reddit at the door and not use this as a haven for their rage.
I was surprised by how insane the ama got. Considering Reddit is a major social media platform, I expected them to act more professional and pretend to care about people’s input, attempting to make their users look like they are at least fine with these changes. I prefer the actual outcome more, love how spez doubled down on the allegations he made against Apollo while everyone blasts Reddit so much they can’t do much about it unless they start taking extreme measures.
Rip reddit
He ‘doubled down’ because there was nothing else he could do. Iamthatis was meticulous in his takedown, and short of apologizing, there was nothing spez could say to make it better.
Agreed, I have no idea how he thought it was a good idea. I’m sure his PR and legal team tried to talk him out of it - or they’re all idiot yes men. Cards were already stacked against him and he just made it all worse.
Then he should have apologized?
You know that’s a big no no from his legal team.
His legal team more likely advised him to not comment on it. Doubling down is just slander / libel. If his legal team did tell him to talk more about it AND to not apologize, his legal team is big dumb
The basic mistake I see us all make is assume that Spez has any emotional attachment to Reddit (let alone anything close to how attached we are to it). He doesn’t.
Once you realize that he’s 100% in it for the money and is utterly uncaring about Reddit’s users (i.e. you), you’ll realize that he couldn’t give less of a shit about actually addressing our concerns.
This will also make you immune to any PR sanitising lies him and his team spout, as all such lies hinge on your willingness to give him some benefit of the doubt. We shouldn’t.
The example I give again, and again, and again is Craig Newmark, founder of Craigslist. Craigslist remains private (which shields it from being gutted by Wall Street vultures, for sure) so we don’t know for sure, but Craig is believed to retain a controlling stake alongside current CEO Jim Buckmaster and eBay (which purchased a large stake from an exiting employee).
Craigslist makes about $600 million annually, and I’m sure provides a nice living for the executives and employees there, but has remained true to its core function of providing transparent and easy classifieds posting to everyone (mostly for free, even!)
Notice what happens when an organization becomes a vehicle for profit, beyond simply “self-sustaining profit.” Notice how taking on investors practically guarantees that outcome.
I thought Reddit was dead the day Conde Nast bought it. They’ve survived quite a bit longer! This day had to come. Let’s move on.
We can build something that primarily exists to create a community.
I had no idea Conde Nast bought Reddit. That is unreal. As someone who used to adore Wired magazine, fuck Conde Nast!
Yeah, no use saving Reddit. Give up your darling, let better things take over.
yeah pretty much
spez sees 3rd party users as an obstacle between himself and more money. so he will gladly trade the bad pr and loss of certain users if it means that even a small fraction end up switching to the official app and it gains him another 0.1% in wealth for the IPO
he claimed that old.reddit wasn’t going anywhere, but we all know that it will be crippled to the point of unusability
We shouldn’t give the benefit of the doubt to a man who’s shown himself on multiple occasions completely incapable of good faith any more than a hedgehog should give an owl the benefit of the doubt.
I hope this mess they created destroys their site, they deserve it for being such smug asshole pricks about the whole thing.
I was expecting some humility, admission of faults and an olive branch.
Instead, the CEO just doubled down and comes to the AMA with canned, smug responses. What a joke.
As people were pointing out on Reddit, in this case I don’t actually hope that, because the people who suffer as a result are the users. Tons of useful content that users have created and contributed, other people would just never have access to again.
I’m all for users migrating here but there’s so much vitriol from these users which I don’t think benefits a platform like this. I for one would like to see people leave their hate for Reddit at the door and not use this as a haven for their rage.
Admitting that “Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable.” just shows to the world, that they don’t know how to run a business. This should be warning shot for every investor.
This whole thing is all about trying to monetize user-generated content by selling it at a high premium to large AI companies. If they allow a lower pricing tier for 3pa’s, other companies/individuals will find a way to use that lower tier for training models, and this is the only thing spez sees as a viable profit model for reddit.
Kinda glad this happened. This is getting so much more PR than Spez could have anticipated. Former Apollo user here, loving the app on iOS & it’s pretty straightforward. Hope this gets more active and i think this might be my new home :)
I’m not understanding a shit about kbin vs lemmy, but in doubt I just created an account on both and I’m on my way to delete my reddit account. Hi new friends!
Lemmy and kbin are different things which work on the same backend and are part of the fediverse. Similar to how mastodon is fediverse counterpart of Twitter, lemmy is fediverse counterpart of Reddit, and kbin is a unique thing which is more akin to old school blogging sites.
Okay, now that’s more clear, but I’m struggling to understand if I have to use all of them separately or I can do it all through kbin…I can use Lemmy and Mastodon through kbin somehow, right?
You can access and comment in Lemmy from kbin, but I’m not sure if you can do the same for Mastodon. But Mastodon users can certainly use their accounts to comment on Lemmy. The beauty of the fediverse (or threadiverse, as some guys like to call it)
Okay thanks. I’ll try to find out more
Post the entire thing to /r/funny and it will be the only funny thing posted to that subreddit in years
I just deleted my main account of 3 years and also my 2 alts.
I deleted my 10 year old account. I was annoyed for a while, but this is just dumb. Fuck spez
Yep, 11 years and 82k karma wiped out yesterday. The only posts I left were some comments on a thread where I was helping folks navigate to Lemmy. I’m at my new home.
A fitting death knell for Reddit that their CEO would have an emergency AMA go down as one of the worst ones of all time. This week is going to be one for the internet history books. I’m really looking forward to Monday.
Let’s be real - I don’t think reddit is going anywhere quite yet, even after this. It’s going to get worse and worse while heavily active users and mods start to leave and stuff, but it’s shambling corpse will still exist for a long time in a heavily advertised hell scape with shit to non-existant moderarion.
The truth of the matter is that while the real die hards like us will find a home in places like this, the vast majority will not care. Honestly, I’m fine with that. Most the people coming in to places like that aren’t the ones driving good discussion
I can definitely see reddit slowly declining like twitter has been, but never fully dying. I do wonder what will happen with content creators who have their communities there, will they move to fedi or will they stay like many did on twitter?
yeah discord is a horrible option…
Agreed, it’s honestly kinda refreshing to have a space with smaller, more engaged communities. The conversations I’ve had so far on here have been much more enjoyable than most I’ve had on reddit in the past few years.
This is what I’ve liked the most about mastodon. Large communities do not mean better. Also the less content there is to consume, the more I think and share.
I’m already checking lemmy more regularly than I am checking Reddit.
exactly
keep the low effort users on twitter/reddit and it makes the conversations on mastodon/lemmy feel a million times more fulfilling and engaging because the people that are here actually put in some effort to join
That is 100% my experience with mastodon. A large user base does not mean better.
I had no idea in what scenario imaginable that this was going to go well or improve things, even when it was announced.
“Hey Steve, you were right. We realize we were taking your mercy to keep the API for granted. We’ll not only cancel the subreddit blackouts but we’ll stop using 3rd party apps, install the official app and click on 5 ads just because of how admirable your AMA post was.”
-Redditors in Steve’s mind
That’s what I did…
No wait, I’m here now after 13 years on Reddit. My mistake.
I don’t really want to delete my history, so I’m editing all my top comments to include:
>Edit 2023/06/10: Leaving Reddit due to /u/spez doubling down on API changes. Will keep post history for future visitors.
I doubt Reddit didn’t make backups of their databases anyways so this will let more people know what’s going on.
You know you can download your data before you delete it, right?
The problem is other people can’t find that data.
If Reddit doesn’t back down, I will likelky be shutting down my subreddit. But I’ll put it in read-only mode rather than killing it entirely, because there is useful information there and I don’t want to contribute to link rot.
Would archiving it on the wayback machine or archive.is be feasible? Or is it just too much work?
