Tragedy is not usually due to a single cause. Multiple failures have to happen for a tragedy to occur. In this case, the mum left them unattended, and the manufacturer implemented a feature in a dangerous way. It should have been obvious in the design phase that this was a risk, to pets if nothing else. The solution is also well known, there have been groups lobbying to make occupant sensors standard for literally decades. That they implemented one without the other is arguably corporate negligence for nothing more than extremely minor cost savings.

I agree. But that doesn’t really address the issue under discussion

The kids died because the engine auto shut off, so it’s actually an interesting question as to whether the manufacturer bears responsibility for having implemented a ‘feature’ dangerously.

Wouldn’t the dealers / shops by the most motivated to find the problems, if that’s the case?

Not gonna make much of a difference unless you take your mum with you.

Don’t know the exact mechanism, but EU countries have national ID database, so unless you’re committing actual identity theft your signature will be invalidated.

Signatures will be verified at the end of the petition period.

What the other guy said. I repeat, I’m not actually calling you a shill. I even agree with your point about JF, I’m just pointing out your logic is faulty.

That’s based on the assumption that’s your only account, though. Not that I’m calling you a shill, just pointing out the obvious flaw in your logic. Any actual shill would have sockpuppets to spread out their comments and hide their history.

It’s pronounced very differently though, just in case you didn’t know.

And, are you an agnostic or an nonbeliever? Cause he can’t be both.

Oh great, I ended up arguing with somebody who isn’t even familiar with the meaning of the term.

Agnostic: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god.

But, if you wanna try to prove any of your magical, mystical beliefs, go ahead

What magical mystical beliefs? You just pointed out I’m agnostic. By definition, I’m the one waiting for proof.

It’s all ancient mythology made up thousands of years ago. There’s no fact or science in it because it isn’t real.

Nobody in this thread claimed it’s real. The only claim was that they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive with reality. Buddhism for example believes in reincarnation of souls. Good luck proving a negative with that one.

Honestly, militant atheists like you give the rest of us nonbelievers a bad look. You’re like that one vegan who keeps calling everybody Hitler.

No, that’s what some people think religion is. You’re describing a subset of Christianity, which is in itself a subset of religions. Just because it may apply to a large number of Americans doesn’t make it the norm everywhere.

Thank you for explaining a conversation that I had to me, based on the few words I shared here. 🙄 They also literally used Naruto as an example of how chi works, FYI.

you just dismiss it because they settled on using a different way of speaking and describing concepts that are nontraditional in western societies.

That’s funny, I was under the impression I grew up as a Chinese in an Asian society. Guess I was mistaken.

FPTP systems suck more. That’s not to say there’s no issues with better voting systems.

Oh I have friends in that group too. The problem is, I wouldn’t trust any of them to do logic and reasoning. They’re great people, but they couldn’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag. Just two days ago, a group of us were on the subway. Person A commented they admired the balance of person B who was standing without any handholds. Person B started explaining how they had been training their chi, and focused their energy into their feet, since they were young.

By human nature, a lack of authority will lead to people seizing said authority. And / or the collapse of society due to lack of social services, since nobody’s paying for them. Nobody needs to explain how liberal democracy and capitalism can reach a stable state, we’re living in it. Nobody’s ever seen a stable state of anarchy, hence the need for an explanation.

Or you could juat make it so no one has the right to govern others.

So, anarchy? I’ve never heard a good explanation of how that would work on a widespread basis with billions of people.

Slippery slope. Today it’s ‘Can you read?’, tomorrow it’s ‘Please explain the history of the Republican party in great detail’.

Clutches crystals really firmly and sends evil thoughts your way