Your point was that socialist states that protect themselves aren’t “proper,” and are posturing as though they are terror regimes.

There was just cause. The Kiev regime has killed 13,000 civilians in the Donbass region, and had amassed huge amounts of troops to retake the seperatist regions shortly before Russian intervention stopped the invasion.

Kiev is run by Bandera-upholding Neo-Nazis that took power in the western-backed Euromaidan coup in 2014. Since then, 13,000+ civilians in the Donbass region have been killed by the Kiev regime, which is why Donetsk and Luhansk voted to secede. Communists generally support Russian intervention to protect the DPR and LPR against the western-backed fascists, who shortly before Russian intervention had ammassed huge forces to invade the Donbass region and retake it.

Ukraine is supported by the west for similar reasons as Israel, they are governed by the far-right and serve western interests in their respective regions.

No? It seems like you’re deliberately refusing to see the point. Socialism is good and defending itself is necessary. You’re taking a mechanistic approach.

Ukraine is a vassal of western imperialists, similar to Israel.

There are a few critical flaws here.

1. Ukraine is here for the same reason Israel is, both are vassals of western imperialists that help secure western interests in their respective regions. No trolling here.

2. The US and UK are far more oppressive with far more atrocities globally than either the USSR or PRC. Nobody is trying to point to other countries being bad to say that excuses oppression, but that the actual differences between socialist countries and imperialist ones is massive.

The west treats Ukraine like they do Israel. After the western-supported Euromaidan coup in 2014, they’ve armed millitant Banderites to crack down on communists and geopolitical adversaries of the west.

Usually memes like this get 1:2 likes:dislikes or 1:1, but this seems closer to 2:1.

My point isn’t “socialism in real life is bad, but was only forced that way because of imperialists.” My point is that I support socialism, including the development of state power required to protect socialism from sabateurs and imperialists, knowing that no implementation of state power has ever been free of sin. I acknowledge the necessity of protecting socialism, and the immense gains made by these systems for their working classes.

The fact of the matter is that imperialist countries do exist, and any socialist country must therefore develop means to protect itself. This is an internally driven necessity from solving the contradiction between imperialist and subjugated countries. It isn’t something imposed from the outside, but the inside reacting to conditions it is in.

They were absolutely proper, “purity” in constructing socialism is something liberals obsess over.

Interesting.

Check Red Sails, they tell you estimated reading times.

Good news, it still does.

This community likes to remind everyone that no communist country was allowed to just be communists in peace. So there was no “proper” communist country.

I was arguing against this point in particular.

Yep.

Yep, they also called themselves social democrats. State capitalism is such a loaded term that it’s better to identify it by its class character.

I agitate for the sake of creating new comrades.

The term itself comes far after the actual 1930s famine and the Holocaust itself. Famine is already a word in Ukrainian, and was common before collectivizing agriculture. The term itself was coined by Ukrainian nationalists that opposed the socialist system and drew on Nazi propaganda.

Thanks comrade!