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  • Lemmy.world users can post a d comment in the local version of beehaw communities.

    I joined the LGBTQ community, and there has been posts made by other lemmy.world since the defederation that are only visible to other lemmy.world users.

    Who moderates those posts now, because the lgbt@beehaw community was previously moderated by beehaw mods. Now those mods do not see those posts and they are not on beehaw servers, only Lemmy.world servers. But Lemmy.world never had moderators for that community because it was a beehaw community

    Edit: example




  • Amazing post with great info, thank you! There literally nothing in UI to let people know this is how it works tho and relies on words of mouth sharing. Communities essentially look exactly the same but like there’s been no activity unless lemmy.world users post in it so you have to be able to guess posts are on a defederated instance or be hypervigilant in checking usernames if you haven’t seen any posts about it, or are a new user in a week when this is t discussed as frequently. This is a huge oversight tbh and leaves me feeling a little uneasy. With more questions.

    For example the LGBTQ community hosted on beehaw. Hypothetically say all of us genuine users who are aware of this unsubscribe because we find other communities that allow us to participate with a wider community. The shell community is still there, using beehaw branding, looks like a legit LGBTQ space but is now exclusively populated by trolls and unfortunate users who have missed announcements that this has happened. Nothing in the UI informs anyone posting or commenting there that it is not the true instance, and therefore no longer moderated by the owners.

    Unaware user who already subscribed before the defederation posts a topic they want to discuss in a few weeks time, and suddenly they’re flooded with highly upvoted troll responses That post ends up on the lemmy.world local/all page and is broadcast to other users who may not be aware, and a lot of new users who have no idea this ever happened. Now Beehaw is known as a hub for homophobic trolls that allows queer users to be trolled, and the trolls know they can get away with it in that community. Sure, eventually someone will come in to let that user know what’s up and where to go, but by that time the damage is already done.

    That also leads me to question how reporting works for this type of thing. If I report a user for breaking sub rules on the false version, who does that report go to? Is it a random lemmy.world mod/admin because we are both lemmy.world users in a community without beehaws mods or is it lost to the ether because there’s no longer a connection to beehaw mods? If it goes to world mods, what if someone violates the subs rules that are still shown on the false instance, but not lemmy.world rules? My understanding was that moderation happened in communities by the host instance so does that mean these shell communities are completely unmoderated? That makes me feel very uncomfortable that these shell communities are even still available to world users, if it is the case, and should be cause for a mutual defederation until it’s addressed but I’d like to have my reasoning corrected here if I’m off base. I’m still learning but this has me a little concerned so would appreciate being corrected if I’m wrong.

    Edit: people are misunderstanding what I’m saying in the comments.

    Who is moderating posts made by lemmy.world users in ‘false’ beehaw communities since the official beehaw moderators can no longer see these posts?

    https://lemmy.world/post/172609

    https://lemmy.world/post/167045

    https://lemmy.world/post/158352

    https://lemmy.world/post/185750

    https://lemmy.world/post/162320


  • I’ve had my first opportunity to see how this works first hand now actually with beehaw defederating with us and it seems to confirm this, except I can’t seem to see new posts added which answers the question for definite lol.

    So when on my lemmy.world account I can no longer see new posts from communities I’ve subscribed to on beehaw, but I can still see the posts from before defederating if I go to them directly. This is true at least using the jerboa app, maybe it’s different on browser but I’m a phone user so I don’t use the browser lol. I had to switch to my feddit.uk account to see new beehaw posts on my subscribed communities to confirm it wasn’t just a slow community.

    Hopefully it becomes easier to subscribe to communities on the app sooner rather than later so I can actually have the energy to join these communities on multiple accounts so if more defederation happens I can still just read them haha



  • Yeah I’m actually really glad we are defederated with that instance, I definitely don’t want to see those things and it made me think pretty highly of this instances admins. There are definitely lines that shouldn’t be crossed and it seems the admins here understand that while still wanting to be open which is pretty cool.

    So while lemmy.world probably won’t block them, if lemmygrad.ml blocked lemmy.world would I still be able to see posts from communities I’ve subscribed to from there or would everything be cut off? I’m not really here to participate in online politics but I like reading it. American politics is an interest and I am a socialist so I enjoy seeing different opinions, but I try to keep my political activities to irl local politics in my own country, I just want memes and to be able to read differing opinions of Americans even if I don’t engage directly with them.


  • For sure! Don’t get me wrong this wasn’t intended to be a criticism of the fediverse at all, I think the more I learn it’s becoming apparent it’s actually probably a better way of remaining anonymous simply due to the nature of how it works. Just offering a perspective on why I’d feel more comfortable with a larger user base long term. It’s a psychological aspect basically rather than a rational one lol. On Reddit I basically just got a new account every year and completely scrubbed before abandoning them, with a million throwaways for any specific issues that if posted on my main would be too identifiable. Here I’ll just hold off on offering personal info for now and just try to get a feel for each community, but it’d just be nice if I find a few homes it feels safe in for that :3


  • Yeah I made an account on feddit.uk too, but I made this one first and it’s taking a long time to build up subscriptions at the moment. Once it becomes easier to find and subscribe to communities I’ll start building up my feddit.uk one too.

    I use the jerboa app as I’m a phone user, and overall it’s really good except for the community visibility and some other small issues. I’m constantly switching between the app and my browser to go through that process if I only see a link to a new community rather than a post I can just click through on. I’m sure in time these things will be addressed tho


  • Absolutely, I suspect we’ll see lots of duplicate communities to begin with and some will grow large, some will remain small and tight-knit, and some will just fade away. I’m still getting to grips with the whole fediverse thing but what I’ve experienced so far has been great and I think it’s starting to make sense the more I use it so I have a good feeling about it. Some teething problems but overall it seems like a great place to be even if it doesn’t totally replace Reddit.


  • I kinda love the anonymity of Reddit, I could talk about my personal life with strangers who won’t remember me within 5 minutes so I felt safe being open about things I can’t talk about IRL even if I didn’t get any feedback. I’m hoping that regardless of size, the communities here allow me to do that and still feel safe. Obviously I’ll be more cautious here with a smaller user base, but I was still cautious on Reddit too because bad actors who would do you harm exist everywhere and can’t be totally avoided if you engage online at all. Sometimes a larger user base simply helps alleviate the stress because you are just another random user rather than a recognisable user for people like me, but it definitely cuts both ways and sometimes people forget you are a human too. The quality of the community is absolutely the most important thing tho, and good communities will grow naturally.


  • I’m just trying to subscribe to as many of the duplicates as I come across for communities I see and like. I suspect eventually some will become the most popular ones and ‘win’ the unofficial title as the ‘main one’ if the overall user base continues to grow. Am I right in thinking it also depends on which instances your ‘home instance’ continues to federate with (IE admins don’t block) or have I totally misunderstood and overcomplicated how it works in my mind?

    If I’m understanding this whole thing correctly: an instance that your ‘home instance’ (where you signed up) has federated with might host a larger user base for one community, but if their admins blocks your home instance or vice versa, you lose the ability to interact with that community(?) I would think this means ideally you want your home instance to host the community that ‘wins’ so you’re less likely to lose access, right?

    So if hypothetically for whatever reason lemmy.world or lemmy.ml blocked the other, users who signed up on lemmy.world would lose access to the communities hosted on lemmy.ml and vice versa. So duplicates would still pop up if the most popular community is hosted somewhere your home doesn’t have access to, right? I’m far less likely to create multiple accounts just to access an unofficial ‘main’ cat community than I am to just click ‘subscribe’ on any available sub with the word ‘cat’ in it.


  • I wonder if it’s a branding problem, where lemmy.world sounds inviting and plausibly serious where sh.itjust.works sounds like clowntown

    That was my thought process when choosing an instance tbh. I’m not a tech person, I looked at the list and lemmy.world was the first ‘safest feeling’ instance that had open sign up. I saw sh.itjust.works and didn’t even check their sign up process, there was too many periods in the strange name and it just looks weird to me as someone not used to these things. Edit: spelling