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“0 64-bit Linux” is the hottest distro out there right now, challenging Hannah Montana Linux for the crown

Spoiled for choice is a good thing, and it’s one reason why Linux is great. I think the community could do better at two things in this regard:

1. Helping new users understand that the choice is not really a major one (relative to making the switch to Linux). Adjust whatever to your needs as you learn, or distro hop.

2. Not jumping down new users’ throats if they pick Ubuntu / Mint / Fedora / whatever. Again, the freedom is a plus. A new user picking Ubuntu doesn’t make an older user need to use Ubuntu. Let the new user have that joy of discovery how they want it.

I think if we all focused on these, the community would be better off for it. I’m all for a good ribbing about distros between experienced users, but it definitely can scare newbies away.

I’m not understanding the logic here. Apple killed their last tower. That isn’t surprising, and their user base is perfectly happy buying nothing but SOCs.

Then there is a still-expanding PC gaming market, where building the machine from discrete parts is a portion of the hobby. By and large, this has never really overlapped with Apple’s user base.

The article does a poor job saying why we should expect non-Apple machines to go the same direction.

On Tuesday, the jury deliberated for only one day before agreeing that Meta should pay $375 million in civil damages for violating state consumer protections and misleading parents about the safety of its apps.

Not enough. These corporations operate on different math. They pay no taxes. They swim in currency. Pick the biggest realistic number you can imagine and then multiply it by the next biggest. Anything less will be factored out as the cost of business.

Case in point: $375 million is a mere fraction of what Meta spends in a bunch of different areas. Compared to profits, it’s practically rounding error. It won’t affect much.

I edited my comment above because there might be something else on the Linux side. Pop 24.04 is explicitly incompatible with Pascal cards, and System76 do not make old builds explicitly available. I’m not sure if 22.04 was compatible with Pascal either, so that may be your entire issue with drivers on the Linux side. From what I can tell, the nvidia package itself requires a 16xx series card or newer.

Edit: Yes, it looks like nvidia have dropped support for Pascal in their official Linux driver just 2 months ago. And that’s why Linux people tend to hate nvidia. :)

Yes. It doesn’t give me the windows repair if I have the Pop installed drive set as the boot drive, it just goes into Pop

This also means that the Linux bootloader was already on the second drive, and the bootloader on the first one should not have been overwritten. So it isn’t clear what happened to Windows unless there were other runs of the Linux installer which had the bootloader location set improperly.

If it were me, I’d start experimenting with restoring the system to the original configuration entirely (i.e. wipe the second drive so it’s blank, and see if the Windows repair process goes differently). I wonder if Windows cannot recognize (or won’t recognize) what is on drive 2, and instead of telling you that, it just errors out.

I installed "casper_pop-os_22.04_amd64_nvidia_debug_1131

This is an old version, and “debug” normally suggests this is not a stable build.

The most current nvidia version on system76.com/pop/download is 24.04 with the filename pop-os_24.04_amd64_nvidia_23.iso. Ah but it is not compatible with Pascal cards.

I would love to let Window do its fix but it isn’t working. It fails and when I select Continue to Windows anyway (or whatever it says) it just goes back to the repair screen.

And the Windows drive is selected as the boot drive in BIOS?

Ok, let me back up a little. Don’t worry, things will get fixed.

The 1080ti is a Pascal card (the architecture of that series). This has implications for drivers and performance.

First: when you installed Pop, did you select the installer with nvidia support? There are multiple installers, but the one you want is the one which explicitly says it is for nvidia.

PS- if you don’t want to worry about Linux for the moment, or are too nervous to continue, letting windows do its fixes should recover you to where you were before the Linux install. Just make sure the Windows drive is selected for boot in BIOS. I’d say stick with it, but it’s your call.

You’re not stupid, you’re learning a new thing.

Important: playing with installations and partitions is an easy way to lose data, even for the most experienced folks. If you don’t have what you need backed up off the system, focus that before anything else.

1. Without changing the hardware configuration Windows will seek to wipe out whatever bootloader is on the primary drive at installation.

If you don’t need dual boot, I’d say just forget about Windows.

If you do, and reinstalling Windows is an option, do that first. Then, once complete, change your BIOS setting to boot off the Linux drive. Install it to that drive again. This should mean that the Linux bootloader picks up Windows and gives an option to boot into it (if it doesn’t show up, it can be added).

If reinstalling Windows is not an option, then I think you need to a) let Windows do its recovery thing, which will rewrite its bootloader on the primary drive, and then b) switch the boot drive in BIOS and install Linux on the second drive. Install its bootloader on the second drive when it asks. Never change the BIOS back and you should see Linux’s bootloader give you a boot option.

2. If it is stuck at 640x480, this sounds like a classic nvidia driver issue. Do you have on-board video? If so, you could pull the GPU and do your setup that way while figuring out the rest. If not, you may have to do some trial and error with install options to get things to play nicely with your nvidia card. Maxwell/Pascal cards like yours are especially challenging on Linux, in my experience.

Nvidia is a bit notorious on Linux for being harder to set up. That said, Pop is a good choice and should mostly get things right.

It sounds like you have 2 issues:

1. Bootloader

2. Pop not getting resolution right

Both are certainly fixable, but 1 might seem more daunting.

1: Windows’ bootloader tends not to play nice with Linux. If you want to dual-boot (have both systems available), then the typical advice is to set up Windows first with only 1 drive plugged in. Then install your second drive, put Linux on it, and put the bootloader on the second drive. Then in BIOS, select drive 2 as your boot volume. It is easier to get the Linux bootloader to boot Windows than vice versa.

2: if you hit the Windows key, you should get the Pop launcher. Type “settings” and hit enter. Go to the Display tab and then change your resolution to something lower than now. You’ll have to move windows around to get where you need – use alt+drag to do that without the title bar visible.

It’s like $120 billion right? 350 million folks in America, so if my math is right I should get… $300-something bucks!

Maybe I’ll invest it in some new food.

/s

This. AI is not and will not be profitable. It’s afloat because of an investor circlejerk. Once they get off then it’s over. A waiting game.

I always plug it during threeways.

A bigger issue is that the Steam Deck touchpads don’t work without Steam being open

This is interesting, because the touchpads on the Steam Controller do work without Steam being open, at least on Linux, though without cursor acceleration. I wonder why the touchpads on the Deck were handled differently.

Not true about Proton. It’s Steam DRM that requires Steam running in the bg, same as on Windows.

Definitely makes a lot of sense to use a VM for it. Though there is something fun about having a spare laptop and just playing on bare metal.

It’s just more barebones than lots of other options, and distro hopping tends to be about exploration. There isn’t a whole lot to explore on Debian, because its purpose is stability and simplicity.

You find tons of Debian-derived distros exactly for this reason. They build on that stable core but add bells and whistles. Distros usually are defined by which bells and whistles they include by default.

I’m running Mint currently

I’m wondering if there is a lot of benefit to going more barebones

Not really. On the scale at which homelabs operate, I doubt you’ll see any difference at all – except what might be the significant time sink to set everything up again.

I’m not having any issues with my current setup

I’d put this firmly in the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” category. Mint is already a distro which is ultimately a Debian derivative. It operates more like Debian as opposed to, say, Fedora or Arch. While it can be enticing to explore the many options of Linux, the benefit isn’t clear here.

Now, distro hopping on a nonproduction system? Something where you don’t care what’s on it and you just want to experiment? That’s one of the best parts of being a Linux user. But at least do that first before even approaching breaking something that isn’t broken.

It sounds more like you want to have fun distro hopping, and believe me: I can tell you from experience that distro hopping isn’t fun if you have to rely on that machine.

Bots?

That would be reported.

Friends don’t let friends be root.

Just to clarify: the “much smoother” is subjective and might be an oversimplification, but the “not using Gnome” part is correct.

Personally I don’t use any Gnome extensions and have much preferred Cosmic to the old Pop Shell. YMMV.