Some are and some aren’t. Like a lot of folks on here are here because reddit went to shit.

Reddit is just like our all ex.

When ever I randomly open not old reddit, my eyes are just falling out.

Just happen to be that big tech is located in USA.

if we’ll have to retreat into a whitelist federation model with invite-only instances

That does not sound bad.

Because that’s where people are?

I hope EU fucks them.

Not really. First was just a dig at your inconsistencies. Second was a try to get your actual opinion out of you.

I am against anything that may put women in danger

Except when it comes to abortions, than you are all for putting women in danger.

I just don’t want to be infiltrated by it personally.

What does this even mean?

We already figured out that you are ok with killing people under specific circumstances. Try at least to pretend to be consistent.

This person, despite their stance on abortion, seems at least fairly progressive on their stance on trans people.

Maybe I missed something, if so, I’m really sorry - but so far this person was against direct physical violence against trans people, which is sure better than nothing, but also nothing really to pat someone on the back for.

This habit of individual members of a faith getting shoved on the back foot having to defend all of Christianity simultaneously for beliefs they don’t personally hold is a way to express your distaste of organized religion…

Again, I don’t believe I’m doing it - I refer to this persons personal believes and I would be pleasantly surprised to be wrong.

why would it be wrong to spare the mother’s life?

Why do you ask me? I personally believe that abortion is such unique, intimate and personal decisions that society does not have a right to interfere with and should be decided by the mother with help of medical and psychological professionals (if needed). You are the one who said that killing is always wrong and we don’t even need to draw any line when it would be ok.

I think overall we shouldn’t interfere with the process once fertilisation has happened.

You are free to do so if you happen to get pregnant one day.

That does not really change that you, like everyone else draw somewhere a line where it is ok to kill. Also you chose a point from where on you differentiate between just cells and a human being. It just happens that you chose implantation as this threshold, while at the same time you use things like heartbeat, pain and human appearance as your measures. And that does not add up.

So now it’s somehow ok and necessary to draw a line. So you draw the line when the life of mother is in danger - so you are just as pro baby murder as everyone else, how the tables have turned.

Because foetuses look like children and can feel pain, have a heartbeat

But that is not your reasoning. Your state that after implantation abortion is murder. A blastocyst does not look like a child, does not feel pain and does not have a heart to begin with. So who are you kidding and why are you not trusting in your own faith?

I never invalidated transgender people’s whole existence.

Sure, I just assumed you follow the most common christian doctrine as defined by the bible and major Christians sects. Feel free to correct me at any time.

I never invalidated transgender people’s whole existence. But if you want me to not be vocal against killing people (as it seems you don’t want me to by my first argument) then fine. I guess my Christian belief of “you shall not kill” is too radical and should be kept to myself.

Christians love being victims. What about the other cheek my friend? Jesus was a cool dude, what the fuck happened to his followers? I personally blame Peter.

Possibly. I personally don’t have any problems with personal faith but a general dislike for organized religions. In this instance I replied because I’m discussion abortions with the same person in the same thread.

Not once did I mention Christianity as being my basis for my stance on Abortion.

Sure, you just can’t come up with any other reasoning (we have a rather long conversation, so you had plenty of opportunities). But please enlighten me on how your stance on abortion, is not result of you moral views that stem from your believe in Christianity.

So what would make you happy then? If I stopped being Christian? Because it sounds like you want me to choose between being Christian and being pro violence against trans people, even though it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the Bible saying God created people male and female is promoting violence against trans people.

Not needing to have a conversation on abortion and human rights for trans people, would make me happier. But that is besides the point. I just pointed out, that it’s somehow bizarre for me, that people who invalidate trans people whole existence are surprised by the violence trans people experience and are not able to see a connection.

I see on here regularly people who believe in the Christian god but are told that them looking at the doctrine of their holy books critically and trying to change the nature of their churches to be better is a useless endeavor and use the opportunity to snipe at people of faith.

Everyone who tries to change the Christian doctrine to be more in tune with the actual spirit and teaching of Jesus, has my respect.

During they holocaust while some Christian organizations were supportive of Nazis others assumed great personal risk and extracted hundreds of thousands of targeted people out of the country ro safety because of their faith. Their contributions were not small or easy and should not be ignored.

And during the inquisition Christians tortured and burned people for basically fun of it. As any dogmatic believe system you can use Christianity to justify what ever you feel like.

So often on here when trans issues come up people choose to use the occasion to put their personal religious trauma or prejudice before the needs of solidarity in the fight. They snipe at other trans allies for being “bad leftists” for believing in god.

Sure, but the dude I’m talking to is a christian fundamentalist who believes that abortion is murder and on trans issues just stated that trans people should indeed not be killed (pretty sure the person does adhere to christian dogma of two genders, even so they dance around an answer), wich I would not classify as ally.

It’s never okay.

Definitely ok when someone is trying to kill you. But the whole point is that the concept of killing does not really applies well to a blastula to beginn with.

You have troubles reading?

Christian dogma of two genders invalidated the existence of trans folks, which in turn promotes violence against trans people. Since you haven’t explicitly stated your own believes but you self identify as christian, it’s reasonable to assume that you adhere to basic Christian dogma. This assumption is supported by your stance on abortion, which means you are more of a fundamentalist christian.