Mouse clickability 🤯

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Bruh

Huh, that is interesting.

Definitely a long way to go, but getting better cross compatibility with Mastodon would be very beneficial because I feel like Mastodon users are fairly similar to Lemmy users in terms of attitudes and interests, and they have a huge active userbase compared to us.

Some of the basic markdown seems to work. Stuff that works:

• bold with double asterix
• italic with Asterix
• line/paragraph breaks (I think?)
• block quote with >
• inline code with `
• this list 😅

Aha, took me like 15 minutes to learn how to navigate that site (I never used Mastodon or Twitter) but I figured it out.

This was the reply on Mastodon

Federation between Mastodon and Lemmy is still very limited in functionality and weird. Obviously the image OP attached to the original post made it over, but the one they attached to their comment did not.

The devs need to do a lot of work on that if it’s ever going to be usable by most people. But also users need to experience both sites for themselves to start to understand what the actual use cases for cross platform functionality are.

I think I got a little better understanding of how it is to interact with a Lemmy community/thread from trying to find that user and his reply via the Mastodon interface. It’s pretty confusing tbh because there’s no threading at all, just random replies.

But actually on further investigation there is a way to view the thread, I can kinda see it here

https://masturbated.one/@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works/113872823948648738

Edit:

Wtf clicking that link actually navigates me to this Lemmy thread on sh.itjust.works. Now I’m just more confused than ever.

I’m guessing that it automatically navigates to Lemmy because my account comes from Lemmy. But you can find the Mastodon view of the same comment by manually navigating through Mastodon. Interestingly, the Mastodon view has the same problem where my embedded image doesn’t display. Definitely work to be done.

Oh, idk what you’re referring to and I don’t care to find out, I try to avoid ever hearing anything about that dude if I can avoid it.

It made me think of Louis CK 😳

Legendary domain name

Relax bro, it’s fine to disagree but you don’t have to make it personal

Less rooted in reality, but more offensive, and thus more justifiable for removal. Flat earthers aren’t causing any real world problems afaik, while people denying climate change and ADHD can actually cause real problems for real human beings.

I disagree, I would remove any of those comments as a mod and think nothing of it. Again, you’re creating imaginary problems that don’t actually exist yet. If and when something like that happens, and an admin intervenes to restore a comment that you deleted, then go ahead and start complaining.

But I wouldn’t hold my breath, that’s not the behavior this policy was attempting to address, according to my understanding. I think the OP was maybe worded in a slightly confusing way, which is why so many people are taking different interpretations of it.

If it’s off topic, it can be removed. If it’s disruptive towards discussion, it can be removed. Let’s not set up straw men before seeing how the policy plays out.

As far as I can tell, those aren’t communities in any sense of the word. They seem more like soapboxes for spreading hatred and divisiveness. Good riddance.

I’m sure you’re aware of this.

And you’re obviously aware of what’s going on with the other sub seeing as you just posted it to !yePTB

But thank you for providing examples of the concrete consequences of this policy. As is typical in our interactions, I wasn’t previously aware of this.

Fair enough, you make some good points, although I stand by what I said and I still think this is a good decision on aggregate. Depending on votes is unreliable, but no more unreliable than depending on volunteer mods, and with less of a potential for severe abuse, imo.

I also want to emphasize that I don’t think this decision will have a significant effect on the actual functioning of communities to the extent that you seem to believe, and it’s more about the principle than anything else.

Thank you for the discussion, it was illuminating.

People are not identical clones. Some people are smarter and think more independently, while most tend to accept the dominant narrative, because thinking for yourself is emotionally and mentally draining. I would bet my left nut that the average lemming is smarter than the average redditor.

If you follow your own advice, if you’re just part of the masses, then how can you possibly distinguish what is objectively false? You obviously believe yourself to be less susceptible to disinformation than others, because otherwise you would have no basis to be making claims about objective truths. Ultimately, it’s up to the more intelligent people to determine what is true and false, and the best way to do that is through open, uncensored debate.

More frequently than not, the artificial suppression of irrational ideas causes them to become more problematic, because those ideas don’t simply disappear when they are removed from a given forum. Instead, they are pushed to the fringes where there isn’t anyone with the capacity to demonstrate that they are wrong, where they continue to incubate and become more extreme. They actually derive increased potency from the fact that they are being censored, because a significant portion of people take that as evidence that there must be some truth to them.

There hasn’t ever been a consensus historically, tbh. But there was a hope that the internet could bridge that divide by connecting people and spreading information. Instead, it seems to have made things even worse. I had hoped that the corporate control over the web was to blame for this, but I’m not so sure anymore. Perhaps all online interaction is destined to exacerbate our differences. But I’m willing to keep trying until it’s been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I think that your example could fall under the umbrella of hate speech, and thus removal would be entirely justifiable. Even if it doesn’t qualify as hate speech, moderators still have the discretion to remove it for a variety of other reasons. The mods’ hands aren’t being tied here, it’s just providing a counterpoint to the tendency of mods to be overzealous and biased, which is common enough that multiple thriving communities are dedicated to exposing such behavior.

In general, I believe that the negative effects of overmoderation are more problematic for this platform than the negative effects of allowing idiots to get downvoted for saying dumb shit.

counter to objective reality

At the current moment, there is zero consensus among the human race as to what objective reality actually is. This is a fundamental problem for us as a species, and Lemmy should be a space where it’s possible to seek answers to this question.

I think you may be overreacting to a policy that is, by definition, subjective and open to interpretation.

The masses don’t use Lemmy. If you’re using this platform, it’s somewhat expected for you to have a modicum of critical thinking skills. If that’s not the case, and you need to be protected from alternative viewpoints lest you fall under their spell, then you may as well just use reddit.

I support you in this decision. To me, Lemmy is fundamentally about the free exchange of ideas, independent from the prevailing mainstream dogma. This platform was built to accommodate a diversity of experiences and viewpoints, and allow people to engage with unfamiliar perspectives without being overwhelmed by them.

This policy only applies to lemmy.world, it doesn’t apply to every server on the fediverse. If the complainers truly feel that their experience is being negatively impacted by this policy, then go ahead and move to one of the many servers that maintain the policy of removing and banning opposing viewpoints on sight. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with finding your preferred walled garden and savoring that environment.

But if Lemmy is just a collection of echo chambers, there won’t be any space for people to hash out their differences of opinion, and we will just become more isolated and out of touch. As the largest server in the network, I think it’s quite suitable for lemmy.world to explicitly advocate for a diversity of viewpoints, and I believe it will ultimately benefit the platform as a whole.

Yeah I guess that’s true, they are defederated from us but technically we aren’t defederated from them. But they still can’t see anything that SJW users post or participate in our communities. And same for lemmy.world, etc.

So you only really see them when they comment on lemmy.ml communities for the most part. There are a lot of lemmy.ml sublemmies to be fair.

Lemm.ee is a really good server but if hexbear and lemmygrad annoy you, then it’s not the right fit for you.