It used to be this way and was one of my biggest complaints. It’s no longer this way. Drivers for my Nvidia card works fine on my mint and arch setup.
the upsides of buying from a Company that donates to OSS projects rather then not donating and only maintains proprietary drivers.
IK broadcom also does this too,but broadcom do have drivers in Mesa only for the Raspberry PI.I’ve learned it best to use nvidia drivers with nvidia cards and the AMD drivers with the AMD cards. I recommend this for performance.
Thank you for posting this!! I can’t get an erection. I tried using an AMD driver the other day with my NVIDIA card and was stumped why my screen was blank. I’d give you gold if I could!
Absolutely crazy take, I bet no one has thought of this.
This kinda reminded me of a scene in That 70s Show where Red Forman strongly recommended to his son that he should only fit accessories compatible with his 1969 Oldsmobile car.
I am on Debian with Nvidia 550 drivers… yeah.
Silly question but why?
Why what? Why Debian? Why Nvidia? Or White Nvidia 550 drivers?
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Why Debian: Because I am most familiar with Debian-based distros, and I don’t generally need latest stuff for anything. I really wanted to familiarize myself with the base for other distros, and I am fine with it.
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Why Nvidia: Because I chose Nvidia when I built my computer (it was running Windows 10 at that moment) and I never upgraded it, and given that I don’t have integrated graphics on my system I am stuck with it, unless I upgrade.
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Why Nvidia 550 drivers: Because these are the drviers that are in the latest Debian release (13 - trixie) and I don’t want to break my system by installing experimental drivers or official ones from Nvidia. I also only have problems on Wayland Plasma session where HW accelerated apps and games have big graphical issues, but relogging to X11 session is fine for now. I don’t really play video games, except retro and indie stuff anyway.
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Intel drivers:
I need an intel driver to turn the fucking useless onboard graphics off. for debian. any tips?
You can’t. Some laptops have the igpu as the dedicated driver of the display and can’t do hardware mux. If your laptop doesn’t offer the option in UEFI, it probably doesn’t support it.
thank you for this info. what do you think would happen if I did the following , more or less with the info indicated in my post here?
https://gist.github.com/pjobson/9e5f7349cf4f28bc82f82ea980047778
https://lemmy.world/post/43248486/22203270EDIT: I’d get a fucking black screen. 😭🔫
any tips?
My laptop has this option in the bios settings
Not sure if it’s only for laptops but you could check there.I checked, it’s the easiest option and isn’t on my stupid MSI motherboard
Leave it to budget boards to exclude every possible useful setting but keep “boot from lan”
when I bought this fucker for £800 in 2018, I assure you it did not feel budget.
HOW MUCH
I thought it was a budget $150 board…
The link is to a laptop.
Also, it’s MSI for “multiple serious issues”
That’s the thing with AMD drivers, they’re the damn near perfect software. Doing lots of stuff yet you’d never know it’s there. It stays nicely out of the user’s way, you don’t even have to think about installing them and shit just works
Then there are the Nvidia drivers
They are not perfect, but their developers – 1 or 2 actually allocated to work on in-kernel drivers, such as Mario Limonciello – almost are.
I used em dashes to avoid a comma party, I promise I am not a LLM bot
I used em dashes to avoid a comma party, I promise I am not a LLM bot
that’s what I would say if I was an LLM bot!!
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I think it’s more of a
Open drivers vs proprietary drivers
I haven’t had any issues with my nvidia GPU. I did some distro-hopping and didn’t have any nvidia issues in any of the distros I tried.
If you want everything to work out of the box, I would recommend Bazzite. Pop! OS had me using the AMD image and fetching the nvidia driver manually (the nvidia image just didn’t work for me). After that, everything worked brilliantly.
Bazzite just works unless you have a Gigabyte b550 motherboard. Guess what I have?
Big ooof!
the nvidia desktop version of bazzite didnt work with vulkan for me. it was still attempting to use mesa drivers for it. this was after debian where what i was trying to do required bleeding edge drivers which obviously wasnt going to work. then i just said fuck it and went with ubuntu like i have my entire linux career. you can hate on me, but it honestly works good enough
Wow, opposite issues! Bazzite worked out of the box for me, but Ubuntu was awful. I spent several hours just to get my wired internet to work, threw every fix I could find at it, eventually fixed it with a modprobe, used it for a few days and decided that Ubuntu wasn’t for me.
No hate, fam. Penguin brothers stick together
Thanks
No way ? this is what I have. What are the issues ?
The issues were random black outs when the system was idle. The system just shut off display output and you had to force shutdown. Only logs that were there pointed to a popular Bazzite sleep issue. Didn’t look like it was worth it trying to patch it (fresh install) so I just swapped over to CachyOS.
ok cheers good to know
When you want to do GPU processing for AI, crypto, video editing, etc, though, this gets reversed.
Getting Cuda working on Linux with an nvidia card is relatively painless. Just a few well-documented commands, worked on the first try.
I could never get AMD’s equivalent to work on Linux, though, and it led me down a horrible rabbit-hole of trying a dozen different driver versions from a dozen different places, all with their own unique and quirky ways of installing… And it still never did work.
ROCM is pretty simple. It’s just no where near as robust and supported as Cuda.
Thats just poor distro support, kind of like CUDA in the past… ROCM should “just work” if it’s shipped right. But it’s not really a priority with maintainers.
Now, if you’re trying to run CUDA stuff with ROCM, that’s a whole different story. The bast majority of GPU software has extremely poor ROCM support compared to CUDA, and some of this is definitely from AMD footgunning.
For me it was deadsimple once i tried setting it up with nix, granted you need to learn a little about nix so maybe that cancels it out a bit lol.
For me cuda was painful. I did the well documented commands, rebooted and had no output on my laptop screen anymore. Probably a complication due to Optimus, but still…
It was definitely Optimus. If you’ve got an Optimus laptop, everything bad in your life can somehow be traced back to it. Bad battery life? Optimus. Buggy video? Optimus. Hurts when you pee? Optimus. God I fucking hate Optimus.
ROCM still barely works on Windows and it’s only recently been supported at all IIRC.
15 years ago this was true lol
3 years ago this was true. Not sure if nvidia works properly with wayland even now, though at least the trend is different now
It has no issues, NVIDIA just works these days (if you use a distro where you can choose to use proprietary drivers for it during installation)
I mean yeah, but that’s a little like saying “computers all have WiFi capabilities these days, as long as you only buy motherboards with built in WiFi.” It’s a pretty large limitation to place on the user’s choice. Especially when Linux users like to meme about certain distros being better or worse.
It used to be that there was no option at all, on any distro. You’d have the broken proprietary drivers, or the open source reverse engineered one with half the performance and unreliability in specialty features.
Since then Nvidia has shifted focus to get their drivers working properly, and there were also changes making them more open source, tho I’m not sure that’d mean the “proprietary driver” will go full foss at some point.
If op is to be believed, the proprietsry driver is already a lot more stable, so it’s now a software licensing issue not an unfixable technical issue.
Exactly!
Well, no, not at all. Nvida works on wayland on any distro, but it just works on some distros.
It just works means no user config required.
Are there distros where you can’t do that? I mean, maybe Debian?
I have had only a few issues with nVidia on Linux for a few years. But, I am using an old card. I’d like to live in the nice sunny castle, not the scary one with bad weather. But, at least I have mostly working shelter while I play my games.
Debian has proprietary software via opt-in through the non-free repository. However the Nvidia driver is horribly outdated so I had to install them directly. But now it works decently well. But my 1070TI is on borrowed time now no matter the OS 🥲
Yeah, I have the same issue with my 1080. I haven’t installed Debian in decades because everything in “stable” is so incredibly outdated. It’s supposed to lead to a stable system, and in some ways it does. But, in other ways because everything is so out of date, people often have to install from source or find alternate packages, so it becomes possibly even more unstable.
I think with flatpak it’s fine nowadays. So I have the stable base Debian, but most applications are flatpak and for dev work I use containers or nix anyways.
Yeah, these days you don’t need the base OS much anymore. That’s why I like the Atomic distros. I’m running Bazzite and it’s great. Someone else handles the upgrades of the base image, and I just run flatpaks or containers.
I think there are some that only install FOSS during initial installation
Like which ones?
OpenSuse, I think
From what I saw from my old room mate, it worked fine as of about 6 months ago. They got lower performance than on Windows, but still ran most games over 155fps (their monitor’s refresh rate) without any notable bugs. They had one of the cards that was like $2k new a year or two ago, idr the number, I think 4090?
You might not remember ATI atrocity.
i’d argue it was the opposite back then. i have PTSD from fglrx
That’s fair. Mint did not care much with my old AMD Phenom 2. It had so much screen tear
Eh. I had issues with Nvidia drivers like 5 years ago. Still, a lot more stable today
The fps gap in games is still quite high with nvidia compared to windows, amd is almost on par now
This is the main reason I switched. I got about 30% less performance on a 3060 Ti in Linux than on Windows. And then Counter Strike 2 came out and I was fucked. Now I get about 30% more performance on Linux than on Windows with my 7900 XT (got it on super sale, so worth it). That is ultimately why I switched. And I can use sway and hyprland now, instead of i3. For me, the switch to AMD brought huge improvements.
Never had an issue with my Nvidia card. OBS can use the hardware encoder out of the box. Just a few weeks ago upgraded to a AMD card and had to set some “advanced” settings in OBS to do the same. Really happy overall, but after seeing this meme for years I expected rainbows and sunshine but was unpleasantly surprised in that regard.
my nvidia card caused sleeping and hibernation to randomly and regularly fail, and it made me very vary of system updates breaking random things.
I never use sleeping or hibernation, so can’t attest to that functionality.
Updates never broke random things for me with regards to the gpu. My install is 7 years old, so it’s been updated a lot.
My nvidia card prevents suspend working properly, but to be fair my previous nvidia card had the same problem when it was in a Windows machine.
My nvidia card causes horrendous screen tearing in VR if my monitor supports variable refresh rate. I have to unplug the gaming monitor to use VR
I don’t have VRR monitors and only occasionally dabbled in VR, to my experience without issues besides ALVR disconnecting from SteamVR sometimes. I picked up the VR set now that my system is beefed up and I still have the same issue sometimes, so I’m not chalking this up to my older Nvidia card or drivers.
Well, can’t say for everybody, but i have no trouble running nvidia gpu on Hyprland with nvidia-open drivers. Haven’t spotted any troubles with Plasma or MangoWC either, even though i haven’t used them for as long.
I’m pretty sure you need the proprietary ones but I could be mistaken
I’m super annoyed at Fedora workstation at this moment. My 240hz Samsung monitor can’t use HDMI to get to 240hz, regardless of the quality of the cable. I have dual monitors and one is already using the type c so one of my monitors have to be 120hz.
That’s the HTMI forum for you
Ya, I found out that HDMI can’t go higher than 120hz because anything higher needs licensing since HDMI is not an open standard.
I’m running wayland with nvidia-open and nvidia-utils packages, and have never encountered any driver issues in both graphics and compute.
The only time I’ve ever really had issues with Nvidia drivers is when installing the meta package for CUDA (because it tends to include a previous version of the driver, which causes install/uninstall havok), or with laptops and hybrid graphics.
But the laptop issue is almost completely gone with newer distros like Bazzite.
because it tends to include a previous version of the driver, which causes install/uninstall havok
To be fair, this is a packaging/distro problem, as CUDA should always work (and be kept in sync with) the newest graphics driver.
ROCM and OpenVINO (AMD and Intel) are even more of a pain, actually.
You mean all three apps that support waylamd are working? Wow. At the same time?
Keep living in the past old man.
