• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    That’s not what Communism is, though. Even Marx says that Skilled labor is represented in value by that which labor power is required to recreate it, ie training adds value to labor.

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      8 months ago

      Cool, so what is that value then? Bigger home? More land? Larger car? You see where I’m going with this right? Cause if you’re not going to reward someone for doing more, then they’ll just do the least…and if you do reward them, then isn’t that just capitalism with more steps?

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        8 months ago

        In earlier stages of Communism, they can receive more labor Vouchers as representative to the value they create, ie in comparison to Socially Necessary Labor Time. In higher stages, the effect of training is more diminished as production must be even higher to reach such a status in the first place.

        Either way, you hint at thinking Capitalism is when people are paid wages, which is incredibly wrong.

        Capitalism is a Mode of Production by which individual Capitalists buy and sell Capital, and pay Workers wages to use said Capital to create commodities. It is not the only form of economy where people can be paid, it’s a specific model that arose alongside the Industrial Revolution.

        People get paid in Worker Co-operatives, yet those are Socialist entities. You don’t need a Capitalist to be paid to work.

        Not trying to be rude, it’s just a huge misconception here.

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          8 months ago

          You’re first paragraph just described basically capitalism though, just instead of money it’s work vouchers. The other issue is you’ve now just told that doctor he has to work even harder to get slightly more than the guy who flips burgers.

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            8 months ago

            It doesn’t. Capitalism is a specific mode of productuon with individual Capital Owners, if Workers share ownership it’s Socialist. Secondly, who says it would be slightly more? You? Why?

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              8 months ago

              Again, you assume a doctor will want to be paid the same for his hard work as someone who flips burgers. Or what about a heavy equipment operator or a brick layer? The reason communism never can work is because people do not want to do something without the appropriate returns for it. This isn’t some magical formula it’s human nature.

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                8 months ago

                I don’t assume that, you are, lmao. You can get higher returns for different labor, as labor has different value given by that which is required to replicate it (in other words, training increases value).

                I really think you should just read Marx at this point, it’s clear that you don’t understand what we are even talking about so this conversation is useless.

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                  8 months ago

                  You’re entire argument (and communism)hinges on people willing to work harder than others and receive the same benefits as someone who does not work as hard. It’s literally what you have stated just in this talks. Communism works on paper, and in a world where star trek replicators exists, but not in reality.

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                    It does not hinge on that. I don’t know why you think everyone would get the same outcome, lmao.

                    Please read Marx, this is a dead-end if you don’t even understand the basics of basics of what we are talking about.