I think you’re yet another “left” anticommunist that hasn’t read a word of theory, yet thinks reading wikipedia makes them an authority on Marxism. Hope I’m wrong!
I was. I asked you to elaborate, then you deflected and asked what I thought you meant. I answered honestly, it wasn’t an accusation, it was what you literally asked for. Please respond in good faith.
You accused me, with no basis, of being anti-communist rather than answering what you think I mean.
I asked what you think I meant because I wanted to know whether you have a different view of this than I do or were simply uninformed. But between your accusations, your deflection, and your condescending responses to me, it’s becoming pretty clear to me that you’re not willing to discuss this in good faith. But maybe you can prove me wrong.
Let’s start out with an easy one. What do you think I meant by “tankies”?
You accused me, with no basis, of being anti-communist rather than answering what you think I mean.
You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren’t unrelated.
I asked what you think I meant because I wanted to know whether you have a different view of this than I do or were simply uninformed. But between your accusations, your deflection, and your condescending responses to me, it’s becoming pretty clear to me that you’re not willing to discuss this in good faith. But maybe you can prove me wrong.
I have been acting in good-faith, you have been beating around the bush this entire time.
Let’s start out with an easy one. What do you think I meant by “tankies”?
Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.
You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren’t unrelated.
So you think that what I meant by “I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad” was that I’m an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I’d love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?
I have been acting in good-faith
Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.
Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.
Yeah that’s not what I mean by Tankies, and it’s not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I’d go out on a limb and say most aren’t. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)
doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.
I’m actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.
So you think that what I meant by “I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad” was that I’m an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I’d love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?
“Left” anticommunism is a thing. People who claim to be leftists yet bash leftists.
Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.
I don’t agree.
Yeah that’s not what I mean by Tankies, and it’s not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I’d go out on a limb and say most aren’t. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)
Mind explaining what “state-capitalist governments” that are supposedly supported by “tankies?” This is where I believe you’re going for the “left” anticommunist bit. The whole “no true Communist movements” idea is “left” anticommunism.
I’m actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.
Cool, that doesn’t mean you can’t be a “left” anticommunist.
Maybe. I’m just so used to it on another instance by moderators who ever ban for “civility”, it doesn’t even phase me. Maybe read past the words to the meaning. And don’t wander into any irc channels, if that causes you offense.
I think you’re yet another “left” anticommunist that hasn’t read a word of theory, yet thinks reading wikipedia makes them an authority on Marxism. Hope I’m wrong!
Please participate in good faith rather than just making accusations.
I was. I asked you to elaborate, then you deflected and asked what I thought you meant. I answered honestly, it wasn’t an accusation, it was what you literally asked for. Please respond in good faith.
You accused me, with no basis, of being anti-communist rather than answering what you think I mean.
I asked what you think I meant because I wanted to know whether you have a different view of this than I do or were simply uninformed. But between your accusations, your deflection, and your condescending responses to me, it’s becoming pretty clear to me that you’re not willing to discuss this in good faith. But maybe you can prove me wrong.
Let’s start out with an easy one. What do you think I meant by “tankies”?
You being anticommunist is what I thought you meant. Those aren’t unrelated.
I have been acting in good-faith, you have been beating around the bush this entire time.
Communists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, etc. Anyone that actually defends AES and doesn’t repeat US State Department Propaganda about the Global South.
So you think that what I meant by “I’m more worried about [some people who] make other communists look bad” was that I’m an anti-communist? That seems highly unlikely. If I were anti-communist, surely I’d love those people precisely because they make communists look bad?
Literally your first response to me in this entire thread was uncivil condescension.
Yeah that’s not what I mean by Tankies, and it’s not what most people mean by tankies. Not all marxist-leninists are tankies, for example. In fact I’d go out on a limb and say most aren’t. But those who try to sweep under the rug the bad things that nominally-communist states have done are tankies, and they give other communists, other marxists, other marxist-leninists, and indeed all other leftists a bad name. (As an aside, most of the time those things were done by state-capitalist governments, not communist ones.)
I’m actually from the Global South. I can promise you the US state department is full of shit. As are most Americans who speak about it, including most American leftists.
“Left” anticommunism is a thing. People who claim to be leftists yet bash leftists.
I don’t agree.
Mind explaining what “state-capitalist governments” that are supposedly supported by “tankies?” This is where I believe you’re going for the “left” anticommunist bit. The whole “no true Communist movements” idea is “left” anticommunism.
Cool, that doesn’t mean you can’t be a “left” anticommunist.
Can you please copy and paste what bit seems so to you?
Here’s a link: https://lemmy.ml/comment/14025222
Maybe. I’m just so used to it on another instance by moderators who ever ban for “civility”, it doesn’t even phase me. Maybe read past the words to the meaning. And don’t wander into any irc channels, if that causes you offense.