The two biggest ways are to get organized, like joining The Party for Socialism and Liberation or Freedom Road Socialist Organization, or an org more local to you or better aligns with your views. The other biggest part is reading theory! A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
I made a longer, 6 point list of what is to be done, but these are the most important bullet points.
Yeah no thank you. Yeah lets all join these groups so that it will make easier for them to find us when they come for us.
DON’T JOIN ANY GROUP AND ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE ORGANIZING ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE LEMMY.
Only kind of ways we should organize should not include our phones and should hold no fucking lists.
We are about to live in a mega (nazi) government. For now I am going hide and wait. Luckily for me I am white maie. My dad gave me a Trump hate that had planned on burning instead going just keep it just in case. My boys are going play straight and we going hold out.
I want a fight I want the largest strike in American history. Instead every posting memes and whining online. Or trying to find a way out. Fuck that we can’t give in. But at same time can’t be joining any groups who will be keeping lists.
When Project 2025 goes in full effect they will be coming for those groups. All I can say is arm up and be ready to fight.
What are these groups’ position on voting for 3rd party candidates in the US’s “first past the post” climate? Genuinely asking. I’m all for organizing and educating, but until we can end the correct 2-party system, these candidates are in no way viable.
Both are revolutionary parties, they have the same stance Marx and Engels did:
that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled.
Straight from Marx and Engels themselves.
The US’ First Past the Post climate will never leave without struggle and resistance, both parties cement it because they benefit from it. Revolution is necessary. Voting can’t get us there. I recommend reading Reform or Revolution and The State and Revolution for why reform is pretty much impossible and revolution is necessary.
Again, I appreciate the information but “revolution” is a nebulous term. What’s the realistic plan to get there?
Voting can’t get us there.
I’d believe that if we had enough participation. Look at the number of eligible voters, then look at the margins on every single candidate and issue. If enough people had voted, we would have literally put fascism behind us and had election reform. First past the post would be a distant memory. Which again, is the absolutely required first step before 3rd-party candidates become viable in the US.
Voting works if enough people vote, and we have the numbers. I realize getting people to participate is the harder problem than just saying an ideology will solve everything, but that’s the world we live in. Any realistic plan for revolution must at least include voting as long as voting is still an effective part of progress.
Are you asking how do we organize for revolution? How do we conduct it? How do we know it’s fairly inevitable, and needs to be prepared for? All have different readings I can recommend, and questions I can answer.
One thing I do think is just fantasy is the idea that if “enough people” voted we could have all the things you listed. People don’t pick policy, politicians do, and the politicians we are allowed to pick from are intentionally limited to pro-status quo individuals.
Secondly, you make a critical misunderstanding of fascism. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, it can’t be voted out. It isn’t an ideology to adopt, but something that rises with deterioration of Capitalism and Imperialism. I recommend reading at least the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds to truly understand what fascism is, who it serves, why it rises, and how to banish it forever.
I realize getting people to participate is the harder problem than just saying an ideology will solve everything, but that’s the world we live in.
I am not saying “an ideology will solve everything.” I am saying that voting is ineffective at protecting working class interests, and explaining why that is. I am additionally telling you what is necessary instead of hoping voting will fix anything, as we just saw, voting failed. I am sorry, I know that voting is easier than building up Dual Power, organizing, reading theory, correctly analyzing the working class movements, educating the masses, and more, but I maintain that this is the path forward.
Any realistic plan for revolution must at least include voting as long as voting is still an effective part of progress.
See, voting evidently isn’t an effective part of progress, which is why I recommended the two most famous and revered works on the question of reform or revolution. Participation in bourgeois elections is good, but won’t be anywhere close to the main path of success, it is a supplemental part of the whole.
“Without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement.”
This is actually so true. We’re all dazed and staggered. Donald Trump won. But he’ll win even more and do more damage if he keeps us all feeling helpless and powerless going forward. We’re not.
I don’t know about y’all, but I’m trying to find ways to resist what’s coming. They want to fuck us over. Don’t make it easy!
The two biggest ways are to get organized, like joining The Party for Socialism and Liberation or Freedom Road Socialist Organization, or an org more local to you or better aligns with your views. The other biggest part is reading theory! A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list regarding Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
I made a longer, 6 point list of what is to be done, but these are the most important bullet points.
Yeah no thank you. Yeah lets all join these groups so that it will make easier for them to find us when they come for us.
DON’T JOIN ANY GROUP AND ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE ORGANIZING ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE LEMMY.
Only kind of ways we should organize should not include our phones and should hold no fucking lists.
We are about to live in a mega (nazi) government. For now I am going hide and wait. Luckily for me I am white maie. My dad gave me a Trump hate that had planned on burning instead going just keep it just in case. My boys are going play straight and we going hold out.
I want a fight I want the largest strike in American history. Instead every posting memes and whining online. Or trying to find a way out. Fuck that we can’t give in. But at same time can’t be joining any groups who will be keeping lists.
When Project 2025 goes in full effect they will be coming for those groups. All I can say is arm up and be ready to fight.
What are these groups’ position on voting for 3rd party candidates in the US’s “first past the post” climate? Genuinely asking. I’m all for organizing and educating, but until we can end the correct 2-party system, these candidates are in no way viable.
Both are revolutionary parties, they have the same stance Marx and Engels did:
Straight from Marx and Engels themselves.
The US’ First Past the Post climate will never leave without struggle and resistance, both parties cement it because they benefit from it. Revolution is necessary. Voting can’t get us there. I recommend reading Reform or Revolution and The State and Revolution for why reform is pretty much impossible and revolution is necessary.
Again, I appreciate the information but “revolution” is a nebulous term. What’s the realistic plan to get there?
I’d believe that if we had enough participation. Look at the number of eligible voters, then look at the margins on every single candidate and issue. If enough people had voted, we would have literally put fascism behind us and had election reform. First past the post would be a distant memory. Which again, is the absolutely required first step before 3rd-party candidates become viable in the US.
Voting works if enough people vote, and we have the numbers. I realize getting people to participate is the harder problem than just saying an ideology will solve everything, but that’s the world we live in. Any realistic plan for revolution must at least include voting as long as voting is still an effective part of progress.
Are you asking how do we organize for revolution? How do we conduct it? How do we know it’s fairly inevitable, and needs to be prepared for? All have different readings I can recommend, and questions I can answer.
One thing I do think is just fantasy is the idea that if “enough people” voted we could have all the things you listed. People don’t pick policy, politicians do, and the politicians we are allowed to pick from are intentionally limited to pro-status quo individuals.
Secondly, you make a critical misunderstanding of fascism. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, it can’t be voted out. It isn’t an ideology to adopt, but something that rises with deterioration of Capitalism and Imperialism. I recommend reading at least the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds to truly understand what fascism is, who it serves, why it rises, and how to banish it forever.
I am not saying “an ideology will solve everything.” I am saying that voting is ineffective at protecting working class interests, and explaining why that is. I am additionally telling you what is necessary instead of hoping voting will fix anything, as we just saw, voting failed. I am sorry, I know that voting is easier than building up Dual Power, organizing, reading theory, correctly analyzing the working class movements, educating the masses, and more, but I maintain that this is the path forward.
See, voting evidently isn’t an effective part of progress, which is why I recommended the two most famous and revered works on the question of reform or revolution. Participation in bourgeois elections is good, but won’t be anywhere close to the main path of success, it is a supplemental part of the whole.
“Without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement.”
This is actually so true. We’re all dazed and staggered. Donald Trump won. But he’ll win even more and do more damage if he keeps us all feeling helpless and powerless going forward. We’re not.