Kinda? What do you think socialism looks like, if not the PRC? What about the PRC makes it not “genuine worker control,” or more broadly, Marxism-Leninism not “genuine worker control?”
Compared to the robust system of democracy in the US where corporations buy elections and the average person never gets to see a single policy enacted that benefits them? Is that what you’re comparing China to?
You’re just talking out your ass here lmao. This is objectively not true.
China has better infrastructure. Better education. Better affordable healthcare (and they are rapidly about to eclipse the US in our capabilities). 90+% of Chinese people own their own homes. China is one of the safest countries in the world.
What freedom are you talking about? The freedom to die on the streets from preventable illness? The freedom to work 40+hrs a week and live out of your car because you are priced out of housing? The freedom to get shot at the grocery store because someone with a gun is having a mental episode? The freedom to get brutalized by an unaccountable police force?
I’M GOING TO PULL SHIT OUT OF MY ASS BUT I’M GONNA REALLLLY SELL IT BECAUSE I DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN THE REAL WORLD TO POINT AT SO I NEED PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO MY ACTING INCREDULOUS ON A SOCIAL LEVEL
The PRC isn’t a western liberal faux-democracy, no, but it is a comprehensive unitary socialist democracy. Policy is usually pushed from the bottom-up, and there is comprehensive levels of provincial, regional, and national democracy. They abolished term limits for the presidential position, but that doesn’t mean “president for life,” Xi can be taken down democratically. It’s unlikely, though, considering he enjoys over 90% support.
As for being “authoritarian,” all states are. The difference with China is that the working class is in control of the state, rather than the capitalist class like in western countries.
I do, because it’s true, but I don’t see why that means there isn’t a point in discussing. Public ownership is the principle aspect of society, and capitalists are regularly punished for stepping out of line, while the working class has comprehensive democratic structures in place to pass the policies they want.
If you have something to say, then I invite you to, otherwise it seems more like you don’t and can’t, and instead resort to insult to cover for that. It’s just standard ad hominem.
Kinda? What do you think socialism looks like, if not the PRC? What about the PRC makes it not “genuine worker control,” or more broadly, Marxism-Leninism not “genuine worker control?”
It’s mostly to do with how the workers aren’t in control of anything
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The workers are absolutely in control. If you don’t know what worker’s congresses are, then you should do more studying, and less talking.
They are, though. China is a democratic country, and public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Polling shows genuine democracy:
What would worker control have to look like for you to accept it?
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Compared to the robust system of democracy in the US where corporations buy elections and the average person never gets to see a single policy enacted that benefits them? Is that what you’re comparing China to?
No lol. I mean, inarguably the us is more free by and large than china (usually, I’m talking normal timeline USA) but neither is a democracy.
Telling my wife to only judge me by my sober timeline
Not falling down drunk timeline
You’re just talking out your ass here lmao. This is objectively not true.
China has better infrastructure. Better education. Better affordable healthcare (and they are rapidly about to eclipse the US in our capabilities). 90+% of Chinese people own their own homes. China is one of the safest countries in the world.
What freedom are you talking about? The freedom to die on the streets from preventable illness? The freedom to work 40+hrs a week and live out of your car because you are priced out of housing? The freedom to get shot at the grocery store because someone with a gun is having a mental episode? The freedom to get brutalized by an unaccountable police force?
What freedoms are you talking about?
Oh yes, the 40 hour work week, what a nightmare, china has it much better.
No brutal police either that’s for sure, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU COMRADE, BECAUSE TO DO OTHERWISE WOULD BE UNPATRIOTIC.
I guess at this point I need to just conclude you’re a tankie or a bot and stop wasting my time
Hey this is nothing. Like, what are you talking about? Why can’t you give a coherent answer.
CHINA BAD is not an answer. It’s okay if you don’t know something but stop screaming nonsense.
I’M GOING TO PULL SHIT OUT OF MY ASS BUT I’M GONNA REALLLLY SELL IT BECAUSE I DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN THE REAL WORLD TO POINT AT SO I NEED PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO MY ACTING INCREDULOUS ON A SOCIAL LEVEL
Get a job
The US is only more free for capital owners, for the working class China is far more free. The US Empire already is on “normal timeline US Empire.”
Delusional
What was the date of the tianamen square massacre?
It was 4. June 1989 when cia agents hijacked a peaceful protest in china and massacred civilians.
Why bring this up? You were doing the massacre, its your fault, it makes you look even more evil.
How many days since your last genocide?
Half a fucking century ago loser, get new material
No, the US isn’t a democracy either
yes we can, because we have actually studied the political structure of china
The PRC isn’t a western liberal faux-democracy, no, but it is a comprehensive unitary socialist democracy. Policy is usually pushed from the bottom-up, and there is comprehensive levels of provincial, regional, and national democracy. They abolished term limits for the presidential position, but that doesn’t mean “president for life,” Xi can be taken down democratically. It’s unlikely, though, considering he enjoys over 90% support.
As for being “authoritarian,” all states are. The difference with China is that the working class is in control of the state, rather than the capitalist class like in western countries.
I can’t tell if you honestly believe the Chinese working class are in control of china. If so, bravo I guess. No point discussing much else
I do, because it’s true, but I don’t see why that means there isn’t a point in discussing. Public ownership is the principle aspect of society, and capitalists are regularly punished for stepping out of line, while the working class has comprehensive democratic structures in place to pass the policies they want.
That’s hilarious
Not particularly
I don’t see what you mean.
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Why do you liberal trolls just vague-post when you don’t know what you’re talking about?
You’re not impressing anyone, and you would do better to actually read.
If you have something to say, then I invite you to, otherwise it seems more like you don’t and can’t, and instead resort to insult to cover for that. It’s just standard ad hominem.