Is this specific to smoking, or is it nicotine in general?
Iirc nicotine binds to the same receptors as oral estrogen. So I guess it’s just nicotine and possibly only if you’re doing pills? But I’ve never smoked so I’ve never delved too deep into it so I recommend you do a more thorough investigation.
So what you’re saying is the old commercials saying and displaying smoking makes you more manly were ignorantly accurate?
Still not worth cancer tho.
You are a loser if you smoke cigarettes
I’m about as anti-smoking as it gets, and whaaaaat the hell is this.
People shouldn’t smoke because smokers’ lives have worth that they shouldn’t let be destroyed at the hands of the tobacco industry, not because it makes them “losers”. What the actual fuck is this shit.
If they are losing their lives by smoking, aren’t they losers by definition? ;P
Says a guy sitting at a computer/on phone and not working out. What a loser
RDIT: Lemmy mods, this was a rhetorical insult as I was just making a point
You missed that I was being cheeky I think, but anyway. Both things can be true at the same time, idk what’s the point you are making but it isn’t disproving my cheeky dumb sentence at all. ¯\(ツ)/¯
My bad, assumed you meant that in full seriousness. My point was simply that people are not losers just because you do something that’s hard not to do. I was a smoker for 8 years. 1.5 years clean.
Agreed. I was being cheeky on the “losing their life” -> losers, same way someone that dives would be a diver lol.
Admittedly, everyone is losing their life all the time lol so we are all losers.
I guess you didn’t get the ;P being a 😋
I guess you didn’t get the ;P being a 😋
Funny you say that because my ex used ;P during “gotcha” moments and so I assumed you used it in a ridicule way too lmao
Maybe they think shaming will be effective
The only thing I could think of when I read their comment is that they’re calling cigarette smokers “losers” while spending their time calling cigarette users “losers” in a meme community on a backwater social media site.
I laughed; if I smoked, I’d have laughed harder.
Maybe they’re just an asshole.
I’m going to start smoking again just to spite you.
Congratulations, you played yourself
Bad Dudes!
lol, “, Director, FBI”. Obviously we should listen to this message from such an important person that required listing their title and where they work. Dude was probably stoked to say “I put my name in video games!”
I genuinely can’t tell if this is a ragebait or you genuinely think that.
I could agree with “people who make smoking their lifestyles and portray it as a cool thing to do”, but almost no smoker wants to be a smoker
Doesn’t failure to quit literally make you a loser?
The power of one’s addiction mostly comes from genetics, not your vibes. While many can’t really get addicted to weed, others will evolve around it. By your logic, every mentally weaker person is a loser
This. Is. SPARTA.
We drop our disabled and mentally ill down into the bottomless pit. Completely useless losers.
Sounds very american to me
Funny because I was born in a socialist state and what I’m saying sounds closer to socialism than it does to capitalism society
If you lose you’re a loser. No one can be a winner in everything.
Technically correct, but is it right to say it?
Same situation applies in other situations, and it isn’t limited to addiction.
And eat sugar and drive car
Okokok I don’t drive 😎
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And also if you do that ^ ^ ^
That’s clearly false and ignores the years of subtle advertising in Hollywood movies.
Ironically, Marlboro started out as a brand targeted at women (which was true of all the original filtered cigarettes). It was only later rebranded for macho men.
Lot of fun facts about filtered cigarettes, like the fact that they don’t filter shit and are actually just filled with chemicals that turn them brown when exposed to smoke so that people think they’re doing something. Also fun: the earliest filters contained asbestos.
as someone who has tried smoking without a filter, they definitely do something other than brown (i have since quit)
I have mad respect for those who quit smoking. Well done dude.
thank you, although i kinda feel like i’m “cheating”, i stopped enjoying them after a while, i relapsed a few times for a pack and i disliked them more and more (and got withdrawals after each pack) and now i don’t really feel tempted
in case you’re trying to quit, and failed going cold turkey, like i did a bunch of times, try setting a budget for a day, and decrease it gradually. i often smoked out of boredom, so then with the limit i only did when i really wanted it, and the want decreased too eventuallyThe few people that i read that actually quitted smoking did something like that but with vaping… like using progressively lower dosis and eventually realized that they hated it and stopped.
It has nothing to do with this, but i stopped drinking sugary sodas and specially coke when i realized that it tasted like shit when i stopped drinking it for a week or two.
They do restrict airflow, so if you suck the same way on an unfiltered cig it’ll fuck you up. But if you think they make you less likely to get cancer or lung disease, there’s absolutely no evidence of that.
there was a period when i rolled ciggies and sometimes i forgot to get filters, but i NEEDED a smoke so i smoked sometimes without one. there was definitely a difference, unfiltered felt more abrasive, damaging, i only did it if i “had” to.
but also “will fuck you up” is a bit of an overstatementAre you telling me the tobacco industry lied to us?
If you blow a single hit of a cigarettes through a folded napkin, it will also turn brown. Its not “chemicals” like those scammy foot cleanse things. Its smoke and tar
Eli5 please?
Marlboro is a major producer of cigarettes. Cigarettes, and tobacco products as a whole, are expensive, smelly and are proven to increase cancer risks due to the inhalation of carcinogens as the cigarette is lit and then inhaled. The burning of cigarettes also creates tar that is then inhaled, so there is literally black sludge that slowly accumulates in ones lungs as one inhale the smoke.
Reading all that, you might wonder how one could “love” it. Thing is, Tobacco products are incredibly addictive, once you start smoking cigarettes it is incredibly hard to stop. People start by only doing it with friends once a month or so, many people say it has a relaxing effect, especially when taken in a social circle, but then their brain craves it twice a month, and suddenly they want to do it every day or more often. It’s as we grown ups say, “a hooker who takes all your money but wont love you back”.
Cigarettes also make hrt less effective.
This is then revealed to be a breaking point for the portrayed smoker, evidently a hormone replacement therapy user. See, hrt is helping a lot of people growing into a body they feel comfortable in. It’s like puberty, but a more controlled process some people really want to do to feel comfortable in their body. This meme is showing that this desire is so great they even give up something that is incredibly hard to quit, because this step in their life is so important to them. The same way some people love to stay fit to feel good about their bodies, hrt users expend real effort to get to a body they don’t hate when necessary.
As your friendly neighborhood cigarette representative, I would also like to ELY5 and say: have you seen our cool animated camel and did you know that menthol tastes like candy? Also, your older brother has a pack in his drawer that you definitely shouldn’t steal from. Good luck, kid! /s
It’s as we grown ups say, “a hooker who takes all your money but wont love you back”.
I’m so glad I read this lmao
Clearly this person never smoked before. Also fuck your ai response. Use your head.
It is detailed but doesn’t smell AI to me. I hope I’m right!
I very deliberately explained everything in too much detail that is common knowledge, except the very thing people would need an ELI5 for as a funny bit, and you still accuse me of using AI?
You should turn the screen off for today, prevents you from jumping at the shadow it casts behind you.
Sounds like something a disgruntled AI slop masta would say.
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This song by UK superstars Goldie Lookin Chain explains one of the many use cases for HRT in an appropriate and sensitive manner.
It prevents you becoming more feminine because smoking is just that manly. /s
Human Resources Therapy?
Hormone replacement therapy
When they say hrt do they mean all or just estrogen? Not saying I have any plans but I know I need to quit.
Can people please stop throwing acronyms around expecting everyone to know them
the humble Wikipedia disambiguation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRT
in this case, what is meant by HRT is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-affirming_hormone_therapy
Ah yes, hrt, a super niche and unknown concept. Very unheard of and obscure. I’m sure most people don’t get it.
Just so you know the first 2 results on Google for “HRT” are for menopause, the third is for a bus company.
Both probably relevant
idk
You mean idc. Because ydk.
idgaf
Ydc
you mean yk because tk
did you know there are these things called search engines that let you type in literally anything and it will search the entire internet for you?
Marlboro makes Croatian Radiotelevision less effective?
I joke, but this is an international community. Don’t assume everyone knows every abbreviation or what you’re talking about. Just google it is a lazy excuse indicative of a less inclusive community imo. We can do better.fair. sorry for being a bit snippy.
It’s barely a joke to give a shit about looking into
And promptly ignore all your key words and try to sell you a smart toaster instead
at least it doesnt try to sell me a 12 pack of toilet seats like amazon.
this is so true. im smoking my last pack because im gonna be making my firdt hrt appointment.
Who “loves” a drug-addiction? I only ever heard extremely dumb people say “but I love smoking” followed by some incredibly cognitively dissonant "because"s.
You reek miles against the wind like a dirty old ashtray, age rapidly and die of it. What’s there to love? All other drugs at least offer something, taste, being high, being numb, tripping, whatever.
I did smoke BTW, so I don’t talk about stuff I have no clue about.
Well, you started smoking at some point for some reason. Either social pressure or you liked it.
Not calling you stupid, or saying that you are entirely wrong, but maybe consider that another smoker is at a different spot than you, right now. We humans like to repeat the mistakes of others.
I want to congratulate you for stopping!
I was a dumb-as-a-doornail teen in the 90s. That was the reason. Being the coolest motherfucker. And I doubt there ever was a person smoking the first one and be like “wow this is great!” I never liked it, I wanted to smoke too and did, and then there was no way out of it. Not once in my life I heard a smoker say “my first one was awereesomeeeee! I love this!”.
That’s the point where people choose to persuade themselves it’s not a drug addiction but a “life-choice” or “taste”. I mean, come on. All other drugs at least offer you something. Nicotine? The best it does it calm you down FROM the withdrawal symptoms.
It’s not really being “at a different spot”. There won’t be another step if you already convinced yourself you’d love it. That’s, IMHO, and surely only my anecdotal knowledge, what the less smart people do when, deep down, they know they’ve already lost.
Shouldn’t have sounded like from a high-horsed ex-smoker. But would you call that coping overly smart?
And thanks. Took me 15 years of “tomorrow I’ll start!” and two nightmare-weeks. Smoked 2-3 packs a day, which was like 30-45€ a day. God that hurts to say.
Not once in my life I heard a smoker say “my first one was awereesomeeeee! I love this!”.
Real lmao.Ex-smoker, picked it up at uni, and the first handful of times I’d tried it, it was vile. The first time it felt OK or possibly good was probably when withdrawal started to kick in. Really should have stopped before that, but I was stubborn and had to learn from experience. Thankfully I was never that heavy a smoker, maybe 3 fags a day, up to 10 or so if on a night out and drinking.
I do still use it in spliffs, but begrudgingly (can’t find anything else that isn’t too harsh to smoke, nor do I like pure joints).
Spoken with many smokers over the years, and it’s really always the same. The first X cigs were disgusting, puke-inducing and whatnot. then it grows okay-ish and then…you wasted the good point of stopping here and now once and forever and…enjoyed the first calming of a withdrawal :-(
How about VAPING weed? beside that it’s way less unhealthy it’s also more comfy? ever tried? If i had to put tobacco in a joint, i would pass up on a joint. and i would never pass up on a joint :)
You are totally right of course. Vaping weed is the way to go. I misplaced my dry herb vape when I moved houses several months ago and it hasn’t cropped up yet, which is why I’m back on spliffs for the time being. (Dry herb vapes are spenny as you probably know)
The only other slight quirk is that vaping weed uses it up pretty fast and it hits fast too. I’m an enjoyer of the process itself rather than just being high (which is why things like pipes and bongs never appealed to me either); the way spliffs let me pad/space out the intake matters to me more than I’d like it to.
I will switch back once I find my vape, but in the meantime I’ve found using activated charcoal filters instead of roaches does cut out a lot of the nastiness of tobacco. It does weaken the effect of the weed a bit too, but that’s nbd.
I’m more pragmatic, i just choose the easiest, most effective way. Which is vaping. Also doesn’t bother wifey as not the whole house reeks of weed :-) But if tobacco works for you there well…why not. Maybe there’s some super-low-nicotine-tobacco? I really have no oversight over the market any more lol.
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What are you talking about?
You can just vomit a wordsalad and say it was a joke, it’s not how joking works.
Well they both cause cancer
What both? Both packs of Marlboro or marlboro and hrt?
Source?
The Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) Clinical Trials Long-Term Follow-up Findings (2020): View the study on PubMed This landmark publication evaluates the 20-year outcomes regarding breast cancer incidence and mortality between combined and estrogen-only therapies. (Chlebowski et al., 2020)
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The Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer Global Epidemiological Meta-Analysis (2019): View the analysis overview on the Oxford Cancer Epidemiology Unit This massive global collaboration reanalyzed data from over 100,000 women across dozens of epidemiological studies to define how different types and durations of HRT affect long-term breast cancer risks.
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The Million Women Study Study Design and Cohort Characteristics: View the study via NCBI PMC This provides the foundational data and operational structure for the UK population-based cohort tracking real-world health outcomes in relation to HRT use.
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Comprehensive Literature & Oncology Reviews Oncological Benefit-Risk Profile Review: View the full text via NCBI PMC A broad review analyzing the balance of risks regarding endometrial, ovarian, breast, and colorectal cancers. Modern Formulations & Breast Cancer Risk Analysis: View the full text via NCBI PMC A review investigating how different synthetic versus alternate biological hormone paths interact with breast tissue.
Bro came back with sources on a shitpost.
Gotta respect that tbh.
having boobs makes you at a higher risk to get breast cancer? color me surprised
I mean technically you are correct lmao
hmm yes transfems can totally get ovarian cancer
the post is talking about gender affirming hrt not menopause hrt, those studies are about menopausal hrt
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feminizing hrt (gender affirming hrt for transfem people), which is what is being spoken of, bears no major health risks
it does bear one moderate health risk, that being slightly increased deep vein thrombosis risk
not cancer
and there are also various minor side effects and various rare side effects
Nope
