Companies approached by the eSafety commissioner this month about the requirement to prevent under 16s from holding social media accounts from 10 December have conducted a self-assessment that the commissioner will use to decide if they need to comply with the ban.

eSafety will not be formally declaring which service meets the criteria but companies that eSafety believes meet the criteria will be expected to comply.

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    This is some prime authoritarian bullshit. Who needs properly declared laws and rules anyway, the current administration are “the good guys”, right?? They’ll just tell you if you’re wrong.

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      This is the right way to make laws and rules.

      It’s the same way we do tax - self compliance. You self report but if you’re caught breaking the rules then you face punishments.

      If the administration just made a list of who’s effected, it would be perpetually incomplete. This way, everyone is effected.

      They can’t just unilaterally decide that your self assessment is “wrong” without explanation. Also their decisions about who is effected are public, and can be relied on by others to self assess.

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        This leads to overzealous blocking because it might be by some interpretation applicable to you/your product.
        Thus you will be blocking in advance just so you don’t face charges.

        Great.

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          No it doesn’t. Our tax system works the same way. It doesn’t lead to overzealous deduction denial because people are worried about getting it wrong.

          Its an efficient and transparent approach.

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            Maybe for money where they can calculate the risks. But IMHO not for more severe (for example percentage based) punishments where companies will actively try to avoid getting in the crosshairs.

            I see it a bit iffy. Yes, your argument is valid but I have a feeling mine is so too.

            Also, isn’t it a bit weird to generalize a tax system in an international context?

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        “Just make the rules super vague and subject to a single person mood on the day and if you break them you’re all sorts of fucked”…… you’re not serious are you?

        Absolutely nothing about these authoritarian rules are “public”. It’s just more power being handed to the eKaren to use for her political and ideological reasons, with exactly zero accountability, oversight, or way for us to have a say.

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      No, they’re the ‘better than the last lot’ party. Labor are a party of and for Landlords.

      The Greens are the good party.

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        Labor are a party of and for Landlords.

        Bullshit.

        It was only 8 years ago Labor campaigned on removing capital gains tax discounts which would’ve been a huge kick up the ass for landlords.

        They lost that election in spectacular fashion.

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          Their own review found that was almost entirely due to the unlikeability of Bill Shorten, but is trundled out by every rusted on labor voter every time.

          Labor have a vested interest in keeping property prices high as they themselves are all landlords.

          They’ve done nothing about housing since they’ve been in power and keep decrying the previous government as if their still in opposition.

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            Labor have a vested interest in keeping property prices high as they themselves are all landlords.

            This is the dumbest theory that only a child would believe.

            Australians have a vested interest in keeping property prices high. Everyone owns property, not just Labor candidates.

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        Given the bad incentives on parties from our a two party system then even Greens would eventually become bad (unless they managed to fix the voting system they just won on…).

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        The greens are worse than Labor. They used to actually care about the environment, now they’re just a radical left communist-lite bunch of career politicians who only care about other countries and their own bank accounts.

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      It’s shocking how quickly the free world is backsliding into fascism.

      I genuinely think this has to do with the next generation of idiots taking their place. My generation has been conditioned to roll over like punk-bitches in the face of conflict so they’re easier to exploit.

      It’s literally seen as embarrassing to stand up for yourself.

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    We start with “it’s to protect the children, you care about children don’t you?”

    Once the mechanics are in place, and fewer people are complaining, we head toward, “we can’t just let everyone have access to everything, it’s for your own good.”

    We go from disallowing a few by age, to only allowing a few by more strict criteria.

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    This sounds like the income tax in the USA. They won’t tell you how much you owe in tax, but if you’re wrong then they’ll bring the hammer down.

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    The headline makes this sound a lot worse than the article does.

    From the article there’s basically a list of exemptions in the law that describes who doesn’t need to follow it (e.g. an online booking site for doctors visits), everybody else needs to check the rules to see if they do. And if they do, they then need to follow extra child safety rules (e.g. Roblox is opting out under-16s from open DMs by default)

    GitHub can quite rightly say they don’t fall under the restrictions of the law, and that could be the end of it. The simple fact that it doesn’t have any form of private messaging feature is probably enough.

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      Back when I was younger and my Tinder age minimum was set to 18, you’d see a lot of profiles with 18 or 19 as the age that said “actually 15” in the bio.

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    Oh get fucked. I’m not using any website that needs me to scan my face or prove my age, no good can come of this.

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    yeah because when I want to be social or check out porn github is the first place that pops to mind.

    Although…now that I think about it…doing git clone on a porn repo would be convenient. could even easily update it. hm…Actually I think Australia might be on to something here

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      If they were serious about protecting children, they would have a device level lock and force web pages and apps to positively affirm they are “safe” for minors

      That would work, this clearly won’t. This is just censorship, you can’t sanitize the Internet, you can only carve out walled gardens

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        Don’t go giving them ideas. That way leads to Digital ID at birth, which should be avoided at all costs.

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        A rating system like the ESRB would actually be a really good idea for helping parents control what their kids get to see.

        It shouldn’t result in any sort of ban or restriction beyond what the parents are able to enforce. The big-name services will have a rating, and it’s up to parents whether or not they’ll let their kids use unrated services.

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          You could go further than that… Mandate that all new devices and app stores must have a parental lockout available out of the box

          Then when you get your kid a phone or computer, you just set up the permissions. This already exists to a large extent, this would just standardize it all to turn it into a usable system