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    Ohh, school pick up lines as in, a line of cars picking up students. Not pick-up lines, like “Hey baby, can you show me where music class is, cause I feel like playing in A minor.”

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    I’ve inadvertently ridden my bicycle through a couple school zones during drop-off times - and I’m sure pick-up times would be even worse.

    Cycling around cars has an element of risk that we all know and accept. But that risk goes WAY UP in school zones at drop-off time. You’d think drivers would be looking for kids, people, etc. as they drop their precious off IN A SCHOOL ZONE. But, no.

    For example: One started to pull out in front of me - I was in the lane, riding past, and she was pulling out of the school’s driveway. I avoided her with some vigorous braking, then she had the gall to pull up at a light and tell me I should be careful.

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      It’s a bunch of stressed, impatient parents who just want to grab their kid and get out, but are apathetic to everyone else trying to do the same. If all these other people weren’t here they could do this so fast, why won’t everyone get out of their way? It’s a highly concentrated dose of the “Im gonna get mine and the rest of you can fuck right off” mentality. And, like most shitty driving behaviors, it feeds into itself. It makes good drivers make bad decisions because, if they don’t, they’re not going anywhere. “No one is letting me in, so if I dont cut someone off, I’m going to be stuck here another 15 minutes” type shit. I dont know why well-built pickup and drop-off areas aren’t required for building schools past 1990, but here we are.

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      When I leave my home street, (on my bicycle,) I have to make a left hand turn. This means that I don’t proceed through the intersection until it’s safe, and I turn from the middle of the lane. My bike also has blinking turn signals, because people are dumb and don’t understand hand signals for turns. I had one of my neighbors behind me honking and screaming at me because I wasn’t turning fast enough for her liking. I screamed at her that I wasn’t turning until it was safe, and she could eat my ass. Then I got off my bike in the middle of the road and proceeded to dance the running man for 30 seconds before getting back on to attempt my left hand turn again. Fuck cars and the people that drive them.

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    I assume that’s an entirely separate street just for personal pickup? because I don’t see room for a school bus to drive by

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    I… I would not be brave enough to drive around in a “truck” like that. Like mad props for never out growing your edge lord phase.

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    Conductor: Sir, this seat is for disabled people only.

    Me, an intellectual: shows this picture I drive this.

    Conductor: Sorry to have bothered you, sir.

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    Lucky I’ve not encountered him, the urge to talk to him like a 5 year old would be too great.

    “What a big truck you have! And it’s so high up! I bet you have to do a big jump to get up there. And look, it says “WAR” on the front, that’s fun! Did you put that on yourself, or did you ask a man do it for you?”

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    I’ll play devils advocate here, but in a free society, cant people ride the vehicule they want as long as it’s legal ? Although his truck is ridiculously large, it’s not like the majority of people drive those.

    I just feel like there’s way worse in life than Johns enlarged Dodge Ram.

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      Except, John’s enlarged Dodge Ram makes him statistically a greater danger to everyone and their kids. In daily life, John is a more relevant danger to me than pretty much anything else. If John is in the USA, the children at this school are most likely to die of a car collision – with increased fatalities correlated with popularity of trucks like John’s – or a firearms incident, funnily enough also subject to a statistical correlation with light truck ownership. Between 19 and 24, vehicle collisions are the number one cause of death regardless of gender; only beat out by poisonings and suicide as you get older. Again, light trucks are correlated with higher rates of fatalies. If you’re in those age groups and don’t have a substance abuse or mental illness disorder, John is the most likely thing to kill you in your life.

      People like John are apathetic about the casual brutality of such a vehicle, that is in fact the point of the hypermasculinity molded into it. I don’t want him around me, and I don’t want him around my kids. He chose to be dangerous and individual rights doesn’t mean you can threaten others with impunity. That’s why neglect can land you with murder or manslaughter charges.

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      You’re absolutely correct. What struck me was the juxtaposition of a line of parents picking up their kids and a truck that’s been modified to say “war” (or “raw” if you read it in a mirror)

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        I’ll take the war. Nobody should be "raw"ing anyone in a school pick up zone.

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      You can ride any vehicle you want, but will also be opened up to criticism in your decision. No need to drive a massive dodge ram thats 5’ lifted. There was a study that shows those type of trucks cannot see pedestrians in front of them, posing a risk to school children and distracted drivers.

      The real issue is Big Auto circumventing laws to make these massive vehicles to avoid paying additional taxes on fuel efficient cars.

      At my kids school, there’s quite a few lifted vehicles with pristine paint jobs, letting others know that they never take their car out on trails let alone use it for what it’s made for. Pathetic pavement princesses.

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    How does one like that get a kid? Like, what woman is into a guy like that, and how does it biologically work with insemination when you have a tiny micro penis like that? I bet the kid is from the milkman or something.

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      lots of women are into big trucks and expensive cars.

      have you ever dated? IME majority of women want a guy with an expensive car. finding a woman who doesn’t care about that stuff is difficult.

      I drive a hybrid and I’ve had many dates be disgusted with that. They want a man who drives a ‘manly’ car.

      There’s nothing wrong with having a small penis. There are great ways to compensate, by learning other skills in the bedroom to pleasure your partners. Buying a massive truck isn’t the right way to pleasure a partner, it’s only to show how sad and insecure you are like your other testosterone junky micropenis Chad friends with their mega trucks.

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        Expensive (in terms of my country, anyway) car got me the worst woman I’ve ever dated (and later married. The things you do for love. For both the gold digger and more importantly, the child the gold digger coaxes you into having). Go back a few comments in my profile if you want details because I shared them with other people who said they’ve suffered under narcissists too, but it cost me well over 100k in under 2 years. Minimum wage in my country is under 900 euros a month to give you some perspective. She did not work a day in the same time frame, but I worked 200+ hours most months.

        Stay true to yourself and keep driving that hybrid. Don’t give in to it. The woman that’s out there for you won’t care about it. But if you drive a nice car or truck, you’ll attract gold diggers that distract you from the actually good things in life. And if my advice sounds misogynous, it’s really not. It’s not exclusively women who are gold diggers of course. I recently read a thread on my country’s subreddit where a woman was in just about the same situation I used to be in, looking for advice. Her husband was an absolute freeloader and wouldn’t even help around the house because she wouldn’t sign over half the house to him. House that she’d bought before their relationship.

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        You’re not dating the right women man. The ones I date don’t care about that stuff. They care about having shared interests, talking about emotional stuff, building a connection. My previous 3 partners I broke the relationship because they didn’t respect my boundaries, they all want me back. They loved the sex, my previous partner, one who had many before me, told me I could give her the best orgasm ever, by far. The ones before also said I performed beter then they ever had. All because I learned techniques, even though I’m above the Dutch national average size wise. Size does help a lot, but it’s about what you do with it. While my best technique is oral. I try to learn her body, her triggers, and play with that. Edging is really great, plus knowing to find the g spot, and of course the clitoris. But the whole body is covered with sensitive spots, knowing which one to stimulate when is key. Watch some tutorials from Nina Hartley, I learned a lot from it. Also there was a program on state television when I was younger called “neuken doe je zo” (this is how you fuck). I can’t remember the other tutorials but there are more. Just don’t use porn as a reference.

        All my previous partners don’t care about cars, expensive presents, etc. They care about my brain and how I treat them: with care and respect. I can be vulnerable and don’t mind taking about hard things so they all still come to me when they are feeling down because even though we broke up I’m still there for them during hard times. And they are there for me too.

        If anyone only cares about money and fame, they are just using you and not the right partner.

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        There’s nothing wrong with having a small penis. There are great ways to compensate, by learning other skills in the bedroom to pleasure your partners. Buying a massive truck isn’t the right way to pleasure a partner, it’s only to show how sad and insecure you are like your other testosterone junky micropenis Chad friends with their mega trucks.

        So when you say you have a small car, I’d say you’re doing just fine.

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      Phototropic glasses exist. I have them, and also often look like a douche getting in a store or car 😁

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        My eyes are overly sensitive so I wear my shades at some ridiculous conditions.

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          Oh yes, that too, of course. Didn’t mean to imply there’s only one valid reason :) I like that actual slow transition from dark to bright from those glasses. But fixed sunglasses would be the next best thing.

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      If only there were free public transport provided to every student outside a small radius of the school. That would make things so much simpler!

      Seriously, I can’t wrap my head around this. Back in my day, pickup lines simply didn’t exist. You walked or you took the bus.

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        Back in my day, the early to mid 90s, there were still pickups. There was a shorter line, it was easier, because there were fewer people.

        Where I live now, and where I lived then, there was cutoffs for the bus, like a mile or more. My town now, barely anyone is a mile from anything. There’s one bus for the school, and they use it for underprivileged and disabled students. Everyone else is on their own, and so if you live a mile from school, having your four or five year old walk sometimes isn’t feasible.

        We live about a mile from school. I drive halfway and park and we walk the other half, because I cannot stand the pickup line. But some people go, drop their kid, and head to work, and so it’s completely understandable that they use the pickup line.

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      Sometimes, the parents forget to pick up the kids so the teachers get to decide if they leave a child all alone with no help or if the teacher works unpaid over time

      Greatest country in the world…

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        Here if parents don’t show up, teacher have to call the police to pick the kid (it almost happened to me as I was 5 min late)

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          Here the kids just walked or cycled home. Bus if you lived further away or didn’t wanna cycle in the winter. But I grew up in a small town in Estonia in the 00s. It may have been literally feared at the time by people not from our town, but generally nobody would hurt a 7 year old and even once you got older, usually people’s beefs were with kids from the other towns nearby, not locals.

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        No. Bullshit. When I got cut loose from 70s-80s elementary I was on my fucking own. We could walk, ride, skate, whatever. We did not require a fucking adult to care for us. Bell rings? GTFO! BYE!

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      It’s always money.

      When I first moved to the town I live in now, I was impressed by the all new schools. However I eventually realized they replaced a bunch of older neighborhood schools with a smaller number of bigger schools. They saved money by providing a worse educational experience and making walking less likely.

      We walked to my kids elementary school but the town saved money by not plowing the sidewalks in winter, nor forcing residents to. Our walk would require walking on a major street - until my ex went full Karen and made them plow

      When my kids got to middle school, we were in “walking” distance so there was no bus. However that was a full mile including crossing a six lane road whose light was always broken, and they didn’t spring for a crossing guard . We ended up choosing a private school in a different town, so there were no buses nor walkability

      Regional school districts are now common. More kids goto schools that are not even in their towns

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      How do you envision kids being picked up after school? Free for all?

      Edit: yes I’m doubling down, the people in the replies are idiots.

      Obviously walking, biking, or taking the bus is better. Let’s assume that covers 95% of children 95% of the time.

      Now what?

      I was asking what to do WITH CARS that are picking up kids REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT ANOTHER KID MIGHT TKAE THE BUS

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        you’re getting downvoted because your numbers are drastically off. I posted a comment below, but in the US 33% of school kids are dropped off/picked up by car. Not 5%. That number jumps to 39% if you’re including those driving themselves to school. The average number of kids in school is 512 (in the USA) so that’s ~169 kids getting picked up and dropped off each day. Essentially 169 cars, maybe fewer depending on how many ride together. If the number was 5% (it’s not) then that would only be ~26 cars. Which is still a line, but not a long one.

        You made up a small number to pretend like the problem isn’t as bad as it is, and now you’re using a strawman to make it seem like we would still need cars for the made up number you gave. The conversation isn’t about needing cars, it’s about having car lines due to so many cars. If it were actually as small a number as that then no, we wouldn’t have lines like this, because that’s about the rate that developed european countries have for pickup/dropoff car rates. And those people are the ones telling you it’s not a problem in their country.

        https://programming.dev/post/39823707/20229448

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        In my childhood in Germany kids didn’t need to be picked up or dropped off, we either walked or took public transit (not dedicated school buses either). As far as I can tell that’s still the case where I live. It’s a very different urban design that facilitates it, and it results in more human lives in my opinion.

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          We had in elementary school this thing called “the line”. End of school day kids would gather at different recognizable points on the playground (“the basketball hoop” or such). Every point had a teacher and/or parent waiting. Then they made all kids hold hands two by two and started walking… Every line went to different corners in the neighbourhood, dropping kids off at home and even seeing they get in / someone is home… I’m pretty sure over 85% of all kids got home every day with this incredibly innovative technology… of volunteer parents. Kids that couldn’t get dropped of at home for some reason (no one home or so) continued back to school where they could play for 1 or 2 more hours until they got picked up… Didn’t realise I lived in a fairy tale land until internet times.

          Especially kindergarten/elementary school should just be in the neighbourhood itself unless it’s a really really really tiny town (in which case the innovation would be called: BUS).

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        You’re never going to win against these people. They all seem to think that if they downvote people enough the economic realities of cars will shift and magically the world will change while they do literally nothing to actually change it.

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        We envision them taking a bus, walking, or biking home. Not them each getting picked up individually by their parents

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          We’re also talking about five year olds walking 1-2 mi at the end of a long day. Older kids, fine, but 5 is pretty young. I don’t think my parents were comfortable with me walking/biking home alone until 4th grade.

          There’s also plenty of other valid use cases, such as if you are taking your kid to something after school. Or they have an activity which causes them to stay late. Or you don’t want them to take the bus cause you’re already in the neighborhood and why not pick them up as a treat (when I was growing up, buses didn’t have a/c - riding in anything that didn’t have a bunch of smelly sweating kids was definitely a treat)

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            Even if they’re within walking range only 25% of kids walk. 50% are driven by private car, and 25% take the bus. So you literally have 50% of kids that are within walking range still getting dropped off/picked up by private vehicle.

            For your other use cases, that’s why other countries use public transit rather than publicly funded school buses that only run twice a day. It’s just a massive waste of money.

            https://www.bts.gov/topics/passenger-travel/back-school-2019

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              Well that’s fun data. The very bottom of the page links to the raw dataset.

              This country also uses public buses in some areas. Where I grew up the school board staggered starts so the school busses are used most of the day.

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            2 miles would be in the bus zone.

            I don’t know why people are pretending this is impossible, it’s exactly how it worked when I was in public school. In the US.

            Everyone walked or took a bus. Maybe there was like one or two kids who had some sort of special circumstance that required them to get picked up.

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              It might just be possible that in a country of 300+ million people spread over 3 million square miles where each school district is operated at a local level…for two people to have had different experiences.

              Either way if your parents thought 5 was old enough to get home from school by yourself, good for you I guess.

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                They didn’t, I walked home with a friend who lived nearby and hung out until my mom was done work. Could have taken the bus home, but they didn’t want me home alone at that age.

                Also, it may not seem like it anymore, but we do have a Department of Education that could pretty easily come up with nationwide rules regarding bussing. They could even afford to subsidize it in areas with lower income. Or, you know, not make education quality a function of an area’s wealth in the first place, and just administer it all at the federal (or even just state) level.

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          When a world without cars is inconceivable, it becomes a presumed condition of the question that the answer must involve cars.

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            I live in the UK and walk my children to school every day. There is still a line for school pickup/drop-off because not everyone is so lucky.

            This isn’t even an American phenomenon.

            Some amount of people will be driving cars to pickup and drop-off every day, even if it’s minimized and even if it’s not always the same people.

            So it stands to reason they should do it in some kind of orderly fashion as dictated by the school for the safety of, get this, THE CHILDREN ARRIVING BY FOOT, BIKE OR BUS

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          Meanwhile we have busses that don’t always go anywhere close to everyone’s houses (or if they do, they may take multiple hours to get there after dropping off a hundred other kids), almost non-existent sidewalks in most suburbs, dumbasses who don’t watch for people on bikes, and a court system that’s regularly faulted the person on the bike for getting hit.

          Greatest country!

          Also, at least where I live, you have to have prior permission to ride the bus. Your parent is going to be late picking you up? Guess you’re waiting outside cause they didn’t pre sign the permission slip!

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          Ok that’s lovely. And the ones who are being picked up individually by their parents? They don’t wait in a line?

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              I’m sure you can imagine how if there were more then 5 that could become a problem right?

              I suppose you are also capable of imagining schools other than your own?

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        Well in my country if a parent comes picking up their kids by car they have to park their car and walk to the school to pick their kids up. Waiting in your idling car in front of the school while taking up the lane is not allowed.

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          Yeah that’s why places that routinely have some car pick up come up with ways to manage it, like having dedicated pickup lanes to move parents and children through quickly safely and efficiently.

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            And just like that you turn even more area around a school into child-unsafe asphalt wasteland, facilitate the private car pick-up further and thus encourage even more people to do the less good way of how to get kids to school. Sometimes fixing a “problem” only creates more, bigger problems. This is one of those times.

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          Yes that would be lovely, until then though? We don’t bother having queues or rules because Reddit doesn’t think anyone should have a car?

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            Yes that would be lovely, until then though?

            “You’re not allowed to criticize the status quo unless your solution can be done instantaneously”

            because Reddit doesn’t think anyone should have a car?

            This is a strawman argument

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            It’s not a criticism of people participating in a shitty system and have little say in the matter. It’s a criticism of a system that forces people to make shitty decisions.

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          Yes, that doesn’t look like a school bus to me though. I assume if he tried to use the school bus lane they’d manage to catch him.

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        I’m American and just commented:

        When I got cut loose from 70s-80s elementary I was on my fucking own. We could walk, ride, skate, whatever. We did not require a fucking adult to care for us. Bell rings? GTFO! BYE!

        When my step-son was in elementary, 20-years ago, anything outside of a bus or parent’s car was a non-starter. Fucking pathetic.

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        Because other countries exist?

        I used to walk to school, later bike to school, went to school in a bus etc.

        Only times I got picked up/dropped off was when I was sick or had issues with other modes of transport

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          What country are you assuming I’m assuming exactly? Wasn’t aware there was only one country with both schools and cars

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        Just commenting to support and remind you upvote/downvote counts are not representative of correctness.

        I’m british and although it’s easy easy to believe we all walk and get thr bus, the TRUTH is 6% of our schoolchildren have fully complete end to end transport paid by the state (yes taxis) - this is usually due to negligence of the parents.

        There is a real requirement for kids to be picked up by cars and removing that option will only hurt the education of the innocent child.

        People on this site are very quick to binary extremism and would immediately struggle if given power of choice over others in real world scenarios.

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          I think the point others are making is that 6% is essentially nothing. In America it’s 39%. That is just percentage using cars to go to school. Not using public funds at all. https://www.bts.gov/browse-statistical-products-and-data/info-gallery/modes-transportation-available-and-used-students

          So now imagine 33% (car dropoff from that statistic, vs driving yourself) of your students’ parents sitting in a car line outside the school. In a school with 512 students (USA average) that is 169 cars waiting in line. In Britain, with the same school size, that would be 30 cars in line…if a line existed at all, because it looks like in Britain 9 of 10 children using the HTST program actually share the taxi so it’s only ~12 cars in line.

          With these numbers you wouldn’t even notice a line, which is why many people in this thread are talking about it like it’s crazy. It’s not that nobody uses cars in other countries, it’s that it’s so insane the number of cars us Americans use.

          Notably, those numbers for America don’t actually describe the full picture. If you dig down into that spreadsheet you actually see that 20% of American schools report that over 50% of students are dropped off by car each day. The survey doesn’t go any higher than that, so the actual percentage of students dropped off by car each day actually might be much much much higher than 33%. So in a full quarter of the US we have more than half the school being dropped off and picked up by car each day, and we don’t even know how high that percentage goes! Finally, 69% of schools reported that their students do not have access to public transit, so it’s not even possible to get to a state like Europe has. We do have school buses, but that’s essentially the same thing as your taxis, except even worse cause we’re paying for them for almost 90% of schools! So not only are at least 33% of students getting dropped off by car at school, but we’re still paying for private school buses for those students, even if they’re not used or needed.

          So in summary: 6% is really nothing. American’s pay for 90% for school buses alone. 33% of students are still dropped off by car, even though school buses might be available. Finally, 69% of schools don’t even have access to public transit.

          The statistics around walking/biking infrastructure is even more telling. 22% of schools don’t even have sidewalks to walk to the school. 59% don’t have crossing guards. 65% don’t have speed bumps or tables. 80% don’t have bike lanes.