I’m personally not on lemmy.ml but they literally advertise what their ideology is. If I go to a meeting of socialists in my community, I am expected to be in agreement with, or at least tolerant of, socialist viewpoints. If you’re entering lemmy.ml you’re expected to tolerate ML viewpoints, obviously.
Yes but being federated with them means they can have their conversation in your space or overrun it, hence why op is saying it would be better to defederate
That’s why instances, communities, and users can be blocked and banned. If ‘their conversation’ is not allowed in ‘your space’ then do the thing and move on.
My dude that is literally what this thread is about
‘Do the thing’ is using the tools a user has at their disposal to block other users. Communities can block and ban users too.
Defederation over moderation is not the thing I am suggesting. Especially not as part of a multiyear campaign perpetuating a bad-faith feedback loop.
They do not, Hex and Grad, yes. This is the current homepage of lemmy.ml, nothing indicates them being a Tankie Instance supporting Authoritarian regimes and their misinformation:
The ML stands for Marxist-Leninist. I recall it being clarified better when I last visited several years ago. “What is Lemmy.ml?” is a link that expands on the instance as “niche” rather than mainstream.
That’s not “literally advertising”, that’s an Easter egg, a very subtle hint or maybe even “coded language”
In any case, it requires the person encountering it to already have a concept of it and background knowledge to some degree.
This isn’t the 90’s/early 2000s anymore where there were only a few TLDs to go around, back then encountering .ml would have lead to a line of questioning like you say.
But not today, today the average user doesn’t question the TLD anymore (as long as it’s not one frequently associated with “scams” like .xyz) because there’s just so many of them ranging from .io to .AI to .shop and .network
As I said earlier, it was advertised. I didn’t make it up, it just isn’t written there anymore.
ML stands for Mali, there’s no TLD for Marxism lol
No, it’s not a Mali instance. They’re using it for something else. You may also notice .io domains are not always based in the Indian Ocean, nor .ly for Libya, .tv for Tumalu, etc.
That’s the official purpose of 2 letter TLDs, like it or not. Some countries have opted to sell them to everyone, but .ml definitely means Mali, not Marxism-Leninism.
Since Mali lets anyone register domains with their TLD, you’re free to use it however you want, but you can’t expect everyone to know you’re using it because it also stands for Marxism-Leninism. It might also be a Machine Learning instance!
They do mention their politics in some places but it’s definitely not outright obvious from their usage of the Mali TLD.
Why is this on shitpost? Dude’s got a mega thread with references and receipts.
Ugh ml users are the worst
I honestly don’t know what the big fuss is about. I became member of Lemmy.ml a couple of years ago when it was basically the only existing instance if I remember correctly. I’ve never seen any drama apart from posts like this that claim the admins suck or the users suck. Maybe those claims are even valid, but do they even affect the average user at all? I’ve considered changing instances even, but it seems rather a lot of effort for a lot of hot air to me.
I strongly suspect this is conservative persecution complex. Sometimes I wish these types of users would go back to Reddit, but Reddit is such a hellscape now I wouldn’t even wish that on condescending .world users. Rather them stay here and bolster lemmy numbers, even with their shit takes included.
Yeah I simply do not understand how you can be an ML user and have somehow missed the blatant abuse of moderation powers surrounding users like Cowbee.
You either just don’t pay attention or you aren’t on Lemmy much.
True, I don’t pay much attention to the mod log for example, I did not even know it was a thing. I regularly browse my communities and /r/all or whatever the main feet is called. I am here for content that interest me, no matter on what instance it is hosted. I thought that was the whole point of federation.
Go look at the modlog.
You might be a member of .ml but are you active on .ml communities?
I’ve been banned for asking if someone would genuinely prefer living in North Korea over the hellhole that is London or New York.
I’ve been banned for linking to the Wikipedia page for “actually existing socialism” because the page for it wasn’t flattering.
More recently I’ve found blocking all of .ml to improve my experience.
Thats not true, lemmygrad and hexbear exist
Well, there’s one that’s worse.
Two if you count bootleg mastodon instances.
Jeez what’d I do
Nah .world would suck all by itself they have their own brand of censorship
What censorship? I have documented evidence of .ml’s rampant censorship
If .world is doing their own flavor then where’s the receipts?
Also, .world doesn’t need .ml, nobody needs .ml, they only have like 2 comms that don’t have a non.ml variant that beats them in MAUs
I got banned for anti-white racism from political memes lmao the crime was linking readsettlers.org
This was one mod on one comm, if it’s a good or bad mod decision I won’t comment on. But poor mod decisions can happen any time anywhere.
The problem with .ml is the fact that it’s the admins micromanaging across the entire instance in order to push a political narrative. Nearly all mod actions in the .ml modlog is from 2 admins and shows a clear bias to push their ideology, leveraging their notoriety to do it and allowing known misinformation outlets’ “articles” to fester while surprising criticism from credible outlets.
My messages to ruud i think who is also a mod in that community as well as an admin about the earlier ban were ignored so I assume at least one admin is on board with the theory of anti-white racism.
Take it to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com then and lay out your case publicly
Almost a year old and doesn’t cover the most recent action within just the last 7 hours, like I said, take it to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and reference your original thread as well as the new actions
OMG nobody fucking cares.
It seems atleast 260 people do care
those tankies would be very upset if they could read.
Lmao tankies are notorious for their reading lists lol. Here e.g. is an introductory one https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306
That’s just asking for a treasure trove of links to theory
I may not like the .ml political stance, but there are definitely people on there that may have non-political things worth listening to, which is why I haven’t bothered blocking them. They may have some good opinions on open source software and such. I just avoid their news community because I know I will disagree with them and their stance.
The spread of Russian propaganda and misinformation is in large part the reason for a lot of the right-wing BS. There’s been articles and documentation of their Misinformation campaign for at least a decade now
“Russia, shit military, fantastic intelligence service” ~A lemming comment I read once but can’t find again
We should not be a party to it’s continuing spread
Fair enough.
Super valid, its not cool, but you know there’s another server that should be defederated for spreading bullshit gebocidal propaganda…
They can always venture out of .ml. They’re much better behaved when they do, which is great for everyone.
I like being exposed to opinions I don’t agree with and don’t like - it makes me feel like I am not just hiding in my bubble. I will admit that there are anti-capitalist threads in there that I agree with.
This would be a fine sentiment if the feeling were mutual with the .ml admins. Their entire thing is aggressive censorship of ideas they disagree with, so if your ideal is free exchange of ideas, then you support the opposite of that by engaging with them.
True, but .world isn’t much better.
Why?
There’s hundreds of instances you can use for that that aren’t tankie psyops.
You can block it for yourself if that works for you. You don’t have to limit other people’s options.
It doesn’t work, on Lemmy block is nothing more than a mute, and the instance “block” (mute) does not even affect the individual users of an instance, just hides the comms of that instance from your view
Lemmy’s “block” still leaves you open to all manner of brigading that they’ve been known to do
And it still allows conspiracy theories, propaganda and misinformation to spread and fester and affect users who are unaware
They literally have articles over there spreading the Russian propaganda that Putin is justified in invading Ukraine because it’s “full of Nazis”
Besides this is the Threadiverse, there will always be an instance with wide federation if you as an individual choose to open yourself up to that kind of “content”
You should make a fork with a block that works!
If I was proficient enough in Rust, I would have, or someone else would have long ago if it wasn’t written in Rust
Rust isn’t exactly a very popular language in open source right now due to its difficulty
Brigading is a feature of Lemmy.
I can block .ml communities in my GUI. But I can’t block its users, unless I go 1 by 1. Blocking the communities is big, but not enough.
I think you can block the entire instance, not community by community or user by user.
By user blocking an instance you just “hide” the posts of that instance, not their users, so you’ll still see their interactions on posts of other instances even yours
Time to change your diaper, OP.
.world needs .ml else it would just become Reddit 2.0, just as boring and asinine, but without the traffic. .world is the kiddie pool… but not everyone knows how to swim, so it fills an important role!
But your logic supports .world defederating .ml so that when a user is ready to “leave the kiddie pool” they do so by moving to a wider instance, like .zip
Everyone needs a taste of anti-imperialist and non-Western takes, either for their sanity or just for their ideological development. I know Americans are gonna need them since the empire is coming home with full force, for instance. Without them, without ‘radicals’ like those in .ml, the folks will just be fed a new narrative to curtail their cognitive dissonance (it’s the most imperceptible of buzzes for the least cerebral among us but it’s still there) and they’ll eat it up because that’s all they’re exposed to. So, no, they should be connected, for the sake of exposure. It’s important too for those more .ml-coded to read, post and quickly check the downvote/upvote ratio in .world just like it was/is on big subreddits to get a feel of what the average literate Westerner, who at least considers discussion important (better than your average American, for instance), is thinking/has been fed recently.
Lemmy.ml is not anti-imperialist. They remove anything critical of China and Russia, both imperialist states.
Instances that are actually anti-imperalism in that they criticise both Western and Russian/Chinese etc imperialism might be lemmy.dbzer0.com or slrpnk.net.
lemmy.ml is arguably one of the most imperialist instances especially in terms of censorship.
I am banned there so you might be right about the censorship. 🤷
Average ‘ML users aren’t that bad’ post defending blatant propagandists.
No we’re not talking ‘socialism is actually good and here’s why’ posts, we’re talking posts like ‘China, the ethnostate, is a bastion of tolerance compared to a place like the U.S.’.
Fuck no to everything you’ve said supporting federation with .ml . The people on the platform deserve their fate if they can’t see through the bullshit, I feel no differently about MAGA.
Lol, Tankies just simp for authoritarian regimes like Russia and NK that claim to be communistic.
If you want to pull people to your political side, then you can do so without relying on misinformation and conspiracy theories. Which is unfortunately not what the admins of .ml have chosen to do.
I think they are saying it’s important that ML people see more nuanced takes. Though without a coherent paragraph structure it’s difficult to tell.
The entire fucking issue is that the tankies ban nuanced takes at the drop of a hat.
They’re not here to see “more nuanced takes” nor they care about them. They are here to brigade posts, spread propaganda and make any discussion a pain. You can’t even imagine how often tankies tried to tell me the history of my country is fake and they know the ultimate truth about it all, way better than the people who actually lived that history.
I’m not agreeing with them. I’m just trying to do a translation
Silly comes in different shapes, but the imperial narrative will almost always be untrue and always serve immoral interests!
By that ‘logic’ everyone needs a taste of white supremacy, Christian nationalism, Nazis, and so on.
Certain opinions aren’t worth giving any consideration to because they’re so stupidly, pig-headedly wrong. The street corner preacher frothing at the mouth over LGBTQ people is one, .ml and the former hexbear (world’s smallest violin plays a sad song for their passing) instances being prime examples.
Did you just compare anti-imperialist ‘content’ to pro-Nazi stuff? Anyway, no, it’s unethical to be pro-Western imperialism, right is evidently different from wrong, and I agree that not every uttering deserves ears but trust me that every person that’s been simmering in pro-war, anti-non white lives (whether it be anti-communist or islamophobic stuff, it just serves to alienate your fellow human being) propaganda since before they came out of the womb only know the wrong side of things and need to at least see some memes and be triggered into self-examination!
What would you guys even talk about?
Idk memes n stuff
bicker* :D
After lemm.ee went down I joined ml because it was the largest instance 😔
I didn’t know the backstory
.world is Shitlibia so you did fine.
I definitely didn’t know how heated people were towards .ml when I joined. istg I’m not a tankie.
Quick, say something bad about Russia! 😀
fuck Putin, slava Ukraini!
Oh yeah? Prove it, cowboy! 🧐
Lol it’s ok, they do things purposefully like that to an extent to get that result. Like if you go to Lemmygrad or Hex’s homepage its quite clear you’re somewhere weird that needs further investigation.
You go-to lemmy.mls homepage and it looks like a normal “privacy focused” instance. Until you innocently comment in support of Ukraine or something and find yourself being dunked on and banned for supporting a “Nazi regime”
Just like how NATO is a defensive alliance
If you could be so kind as to list the number of times NATO has gone on an offensive war, I’ll be waiting.
Russia has a history of invading its neighbors, with several notable examples including the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968, and Afghanistan in 1979. More recently, Russia invaded and occupied Crimea in 2014 and has been involved in conflicts in Georgia and Ukraine.
Yugoslavia, Afganistan, Bosnia, Serbia & even Africa; I can go on. They violate international law like Israelis. BTW Russia (via Putin) WANTED to be in NATO.
Richard Medhurst covers this in details buddy. Not only that; usage of Depleted uranium shells & cluster ammunitions, Hooo boy.
Don’t try that whataboutism here. It’s a mafia protection racket with USA being the head-honcho. Everyone knows this, were you living under a rock ?
I just want to laugh at the first source being a WordPress page that’s pro al-assad which really just screams super trustworthy to me personally
Your personal beliefs doesn’t make the truth any less truthful, also there’s reports by Amnesty international as well.
You literally nitpicked one thing to discredit sonething else.
A lot of the people giving ML a bad reputation came over from Hexbear after they were defederated by almost everyone, I suspect the angry commies would just create a new account on another instance.
And? Better to let them have to engage as a normie instead of having an entire instance astroturfing their BS.
I’d rather they stay on ML, that way I can block the instance and never hear from them.
Don’t you still see their posts on other threads?
Thank you for being the voice of reason. You may not want to hear from socialists because you’re a fake CIA liberal, but other people deserve to hear our message and to be banned by our great admins
Hah! Do you really believe this would make things better? (X) Doubt
sky traffic? wow so cool
